Which Old testament events are historically accurate?

Joshua Villines,
There is so much to say concerning your so called theology. It is sad to see people claim to be Christians and deny the very Scripture that, supposedly, led them to understand their need for a Savior. How are we to know which part of the Bible is true and which part is not? I believe that God wrote the Book and He has given to us exactly what He wanted us to have. If God was unable to preserve His word, then He would not be much of a God would He? I pity the poor people who look to you as a representive of Christ. You should be ashamed to call yourself a Christian.

 

David Cooke, Jr.
I hope you are a better lawyer than you are a Christian.

 

Wow... You're a little self-righteous to be calling yourself a believer in Christ!

 

BTW, It is impossible to be pro homosexual and be a Christian.

 

Where is the dividing line that determines which incorrect beliefs prohibit you from being a Christian?

I am not advocating a pro homosexual agenda but there are certainly areas where believers have a difference of conscience. Does this equate to not being a true Christian?

 

Maybe I should explain my position. I believe that a person could commit a homosexual act and be a Christian, just like David commited adultery and murder, yet belonged to God. I do, however, find it difficult to believe that a person could advocate that homosexuality is correct behavior and be a Christian. During times in my Christian life when I was doing wrong, I knew it and was ashamed. I did not want other to know. Also, a Christian living in sin will be miserable. They may claim to be happy, but they are not. God, also, will not allow them to stay there.

 

That's quite a bit different from what you said earlier...

 

Baptist Believer
It's not really different. When I said it was impossible to be a Christian and a homosexual I meant it. To “be” a homosexual is to espouse the homosexual lifestyle as being legitimate. Abraham lied on more that one occasion, but he was not a lier. His lying was out of character with who he was. The Bible says, “And there shall in no wise enter into it (heaven) any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, OR MAKETH A LIE: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Rev 21:27

 

First of all let me say that you are correct, no one has taken pictures but we have a more sure word, the Word of God. Why not just believe that it is true.
Secondly I too have a hard time believing that a Chritian would advocate a homosexual lifestyle in the light of the scriptures that prohibit it. O but I forgot some of you guys don't believe in the scriptures sorry.
Murphy

 

No it isn't.

What you said was, "BTW, It is impossible to be pro homosexual and be a Christian."

There's a difference between being "pro homosexual" (whatever you mean by that) and considering yourself a homosexual or participating in homosexual acts.

Don't criticize me for reading what you typed -- even if you did not intend to say what you said.

I have friends who consider themselves to be homosexual. One close friend struggles with the temptation, but (as far as I know) don't not engage in sexual activity. Besides the fact that he is a very good longstanding friend (and a brother in Christ), I try to make extra time to do things with him because he also struggles with loneliness. He needs to be accepted by a man with whom he knows that he has no chance of becoming sexually involved. I am pro-homosexual (that is, I want to affirm men and women who struggle with unrighteous attractions), but I do not condone sexual activity outside of marriage. (Frankly, I am pro-sinner, even though I don't condone sin!)

I have studied most of the pertinent works regarding homosexuality and Christian theology and I can see how some people can come to the conclusion that homosexuals should be accepted into the leadership of church life without exclusions, but I can't get past some basic aspects of theology and gender that are implicit in the scriptures and simple biology. Yet, I can understand that when some things are somewhat questionable in the Christian life, it is probably best to err on the side of grace rather than law. However, for me and my understanding of the Bible, it is more important for believers to hold the sexual standard of chastity before marriage for all believers than to make concessions for those who are weak.

Summation:

Yes, I am a friend to homosexuals and I make no bones about it. Yes, I believe the Bible and take a fairly conservative view concerning sexuality. But I also affirm homosexuals as people who are struggling with sin and unwanted attractions. I believe they should be church members and enjoy the fellowship of men and women in the church. I think the heterosexual men of the churches should go out of their way to extend hospitality and fellowship to homosexual men. I think the heterosexual women of the church should go out of their way to extend hospitality and fellowship to lesbians. But churches should not move anyone with sexual sin in their lives into leadership positions or should confirm or condone same-sex unions.

Clear enough?

 

This tired old slur about "not believing the Bible" is really annoying. How would you like it if they constantly accused you of being too feeble-minded to understand scripture? It's the same sort of thing.

It's just that they don't believe the same *interpretion* that you do.

 

When and where have I rejected the Bible?

They are interpreting scripture, but they have erred because of compassion or some other consideration. I would strongly disagree with them. Where have I said anything contrary to this view?

 

Folks, there's enough self-righteous judgement flowing from BOTH sides, even the left. So let's knock this off and stick to the issues. Both sides get too personal. Thanks.

TomVols
Co-Moderator

 

Tom thanks for your leadership. I appreciate the job you do here. Even though my views may differ from some others here I still enjoy hearing what they have to say. Actually if we all agreed on everything it would be pretty boring around here.
Murphy