Which one was saved, the one taken or the one left?

Ed,

Does Christ saying, "a thousand years" in Matthew 24?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

No, Christ does not say about the 1,000 year
Messanic Kingdom DIRECTLY. Christ also
does not mention velcro, but velcro still hold
my shoes on my feet. Oh, Jesus didn't mention
feet either, but I use them every day.

Be sure to check this poll of interest:
http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/3519.html

 

Ed, you have to understand, the word, 'age' never so called, "Church Age" according what dispensationalism teaches.

Bible simple teaching us, there is only two ages of God's plan. Right now, we are in this present age. Present age have been last for about 6000 years since creation. This present age shall be end by follow at Christ's coming for to judge the world. Disciples understood what 'age' means. They never hear of 1000 years, because of this doctrine is not yet existed till late 19th Century.

You might say, wait a minute, how about Revelation 20:2-6 mentiuoned, 'a thousand years'?

Centuries ago, Christians understood of Rev. 20:2-6 is a symbol or figurative meaning.

'A thousand years' does not taking a literally exactly number. But, it gives us, the picture that the Church have been reigning with Christ for long time.

Isn't Lord owns 1001 hills? - Psalms 50:10?

Throughout in the Bible mentioned of the numbers are symbol meanings, like as book of revelation talks lot of symbol and figure with meanings. Not every verse take literal.

Later, this week, I will discuss more about 'thousand'.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

You know, folks, before Jesus came, there was enormous arguing and discussion about the coming Messiah. And they all, it seemed, missed the point of the Suffering Servant.

Prophecies are mostly recognizable after they are fulfilled. I think everyone here will find themselves saying, in the future, "So THAT'S what the Bible meant!"

In the meantime, we have work to do here and now, and if we are God's own, then there is nothing to fear anyway, right? Let us preach and live Christ, not our interpretations, faulty as they most inevitably are, of various prophecies.

Personally, I do think the pre-Trib rapture is correct Biblically. But if I am wrong, I still belong to my Lord and He will see me through everything I need to go through.

And that's enough. Whether I am 'taken' or 'left', I am His.

 

Not sure what book yer reading, but my Bible does not say 1001 hills in Psalm 50:10. It says the Lord owns the cattle on a thousand hills.

That being said, the number 1000 was put in the Bible for a reason. When a specific number is given, I believe that it means that number... no more, no less. The 1000 year reign in the millenial kingdom will be just that.

It is funny the Bible can say 2 women and people will believe it. 12 disciples and people believe that. Four daughters is not questioned. It is not until it gets into the higher numbers 300, 1000, 12000, 180000 that people begin saying 'oh, it does not mean that.'

The Bible is true from cover to cover. If it says 1000, you'd better believe it will be 1000.

 

Very wrong. The eternal life will be spent in the Kingdom of God. Pre or post trib, ( of which I cannot fathom, how anyone can be post trib because the meek shall inherit the earth/ Jews, and they haven't!)

Remember the words, "... and he shall rule the nations with a rod of iron"? Hasn't happened yet either.

Writing things into scripture to support a belief system is very dangerous, the passage clearly speaks of pretribulational events, those "left" are contextually those who have heard the Gospel and will be here for the Great Tribulation.

We are on the brink of the taking away/ rapture!!!

World events are telling us of prophecy being fulfilled as we speak.

 

Sorry, Helen, that ideal doesn't do much for clear Bible doctrine. Yes, you do belong to our Lord, but He doesn't leave us wandering in a wilderness of suppositions. His Spirit clearly guides us into all truth, speaks of Jesus, and fills us as we desire to be filled. He grants us passage in to the Canaan Land Experience, overcoming all that oppose us, though the battles may be fierce, He still gives us that victory.

Do I understand all the dark sayings of Scripture? No, but I do have enough light to walk in concerning the future! And I'm not second guessing, my heart is right and my mind is made up!

 

Who? Not Ed! Why would he? It's his trademark.

 

The ones who were left behind were the ones saved from the catastrophe.

 

DeafPosttrib: //Ed, you have to understand, the word, 'age' never so called,
"Church Age" according what dispensationalism teaches. //

DeafPosttrib: //Bible simple teaching us, there is only two ages of God's plan.
Right now, we are in this present age. Present age have been
last for about 6000 years since creation. This present age shall
be end by follow at Christ's coming for to judge the world.
Disciples understood what 'age' means.//

Unfortunately, you just delineated a summary of YOUR dispensational
Doctrine. Yep, you teach 'dispensationalism'. I just don't agree
with it very much.

Brother Bob: //Also Ed: you use the words just and unjust to justify your
answers as if when used they always come from Christ himself.//

Actually I defined 'just' and figured out you could figure the
unjust are the unsaved.

At the top of page 2 I say: //The just are taken; the unjust left.
"Just' is a Christ function, those who are just
are made just by Messian Jesus (i.e. the saved).//

Brother Bob: //Well, these words were not in the original question.//

This isn't about you. My first inclination was to list the six
active eschatalogical topics I'm now participating in. I've been
posting eschatology here for 3½-years (half a tribulation period ).
I really don't know now why I bothered to stop and give you individual
attention when you disrespected me by not thinking enough of what
i'd already said to dig your answer out. Sorry, but we discuss this
'who is left behind' dead horse every quarter, at least.

Oops, I said: //Tee hee. gooy logic//

I meant: //Tee hee. GUI logic//
(they are both 'gooey' and 'GUI' pronounced the same)
of course GUI = Graphical User's Interface. Should I
draw you a picture

 

Tom Butler,

Good point:
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"I think Guitarpreacher is on to something. Remember, the context is a post-tribulational setting, not a pre-trib rapture. Whether you're pre- or post-, when Jesus returns in Matthew 24, He stays. The saints aren't going anywhere".

Tom B.
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I would add that this is the Last Day; the day of the Lord when Jesus "raises up every believer and gathers the elect from earth to heaven". John 6:40; Mark 13:24,27. All the elect must
come with Jesus to give the kingdom to people
of the Saints. I Thess.3:13; Rev.17:14; Dan.
7:18-27; That's why the angels first "gather
the elect out of all extremities of the heavenS
while the tribes of earth mourn". Matt.24:30-31.

So Believers are not "taken or left" once
Christ gathers all the Saints from the earth
to "keep them from the hour of trial" until
the wicked are all destroyed, taken in judgment
after the righteous have been purified, refined.
Rev.3:10-11 (hour of trial; Luke 21:34-35; day of wrath); Dan.12:10-11; Rev.12:10-11 (purged,
purified and refined).

The "ones" unsaved who "mourn and who beg (Greek) to escape all the things coming on all the inhabitants on all the face of all the earth" will be "kept alive" to populate the kingdon ON THE DAY CHRIST APPEARS. Luke 21:36;
Luke 17:27-30 --- "on the Day He is revealed".

Thus, the promise to Abraham that Ishmael's
descendants will be blessed will be fulfilled
with at least a ratio of 50% saved. That means
that up to 500 million Arabs (one of every
twosome) will be kept alive while at least 5 million Jews will enter the Kingdom. At least TEN Gentiles to each Jew, who are "left of the nations" will come to Jerusalem to worship God. Zech.13:8-9; Zech.14:16-21.

So the ones "taken" will perish; the ones "left"
will make up a third of Israel who are saved to
enter the Kingdom and from 50 to 500 million
of the "tribes of earth" who will be Gentiles
that populate the Kingdom for 1000 years.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

DeafPosttrib,

You have missed the context and the timing,
My Friend:
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"There are so much misunderstanding what 'the other left' is talking about. This is speak of faithful servants.

"Why I understand what Christ was talking about in this passage, 'the other left' is speak of faithful servants, later this week, I will explaining more deep on this with verses, what Christ actual saying".

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Yes, the one "left" could be a righteous unbeliever; but not a "faithful believer"!
He must be one who desires to be saved at the last moment ... not the last moment of a Pre-Trib "presence" of Christ; but at His Post-Trib Presence WITH ALL the Saints first "gathered
together above by Jesus" Himself. Mark 13:24-27.

The Entire Context of Matt.24:29-37 and Luke
17:29-37 is limited to the 12-Hour Day Christ
comes FOR and WITH ALL the Saints.

I feel you have a long way to come before you
realize the "one left" CANNOT refer to a Believer who will be "raised up and gathered by Jesus from earth to heaven on the last day". John 6:40; Mark 13:27; Matt.24:31.

[From 1917 to 1973, the Scofield Bible note
on Matt.24:31 stated that JEWS would be re-gathered to Israel but the Church would be TAKEN in the Rapture prior to the great tribulation.

[Then they changed the note to Matt.24:34 (this generation) because they suddenly realized the one TAKEN refers to the judgment of the wicked AFTER the tribulation. But then they had the
wicked TAKEN in judgment instead of the
Church TAKEN to heaven in a Pre-Trib Rapture].

You still see the Church TAKEN to heaven years before those who choose to pray to escape can experience being LEFT on the earth!!! You are
talking about two different time periods.

I submit the one Taken and one Left have but a very few moments (not even enough time to come down off the housetop) to choose between life
and death because their decisions must be made
between what happens in Matt.24:30 and vs.31.

What is that? Mark 13:27 reveals the Elect are
"gathered FROM earth TO heaven" before those LEFT begin to "mourn and beg to be kept alive"
to fulfill Matt.24:30 and Luke 17:33.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Mel,

The account in Matthew is after the rapture of the saints. The ones left are the righteous. As it was in the days of Noe, the ones taken were the ones destroyed. The righteous will not be destroyed. The wicked will be taken.

 

Me4Him,

You have two different "days" in mind in your
quote. Jesus has only ONE Day, the Day He is revealed to destroy all the wicked and to gather the elect from earth to heaven AFTER THE GREAT
TRIBULATION. Mark 13:24-27; Matt.24:29-31; Luke
17:27-30.

Your Quote: _______________________________________________
"In the rapture, (day of Christ) "Jesus reaps" the "saved" from the earth, the "unsaved" remain behind for the trib.

"When Jesus returns, Day of the Lord, the "angel reaper" gather the "unsaved" and cast them into hell, the "Saved" remain behind for the MK".
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There is nothing in the context of Matt.24:29-37
or in Luke 17:29-37 that refers to being LEFT
on the earth to go thru the tribulation.

This is the way Dispies distort the truth of
who is TAKEN and who is LEFT when Christ comes
in glory WITH ALL THE SAINTS.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

DeafPosttrib,

Again, you are taking what Jesus said completely
out of context:
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"Christ warns us, do not back to our place to get things, we must flee away from our place, because we shall know horrible persecution is about to coming anytime".
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The time to "flee" is at the start of the great
tribulation. Jesus is not talking about taking "flight" BUT about not having any time
to take flight. The time is the DAY Christ comes FOR and WITH ALL, yes ALL the Saints.

I Thess.3:13; John 6:40; Mark 13:24-27; Rev.17:14; Dan.7:22; Rev.11:18; Zech.14:5-6.

Please, My friend, interpret the context instead of theorizing about a separate "day" when people will flee to the desert until the Day He comes.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net