Who are the 'elders' and 'four beasts' of Revelation 5:8?

[Alofa Atu]

...Jesus did not lie ...

I did not say that Jesus lied, nor intimated that He ever did so. What I stated, using the contextual verses and even the underlying koine Greek text, among other global context, was to demonstrate that you misunderstood what Jesus stated. Jesus was not stating (contextually) that the thief would be in 'paradise' that day, but that Jesus was saying unto the thief right then (now, today), as a promise of King to servant, that the thief would enter into paradise at the resurrection, when Jesus returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords (thus having obtained the Kingdom that the thief spake of).

Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Luk 23:43 και ειπεν αυτω ο ιησους αμην λεγω σοι σημερον μετ εμου εση εν τω παραδεισω​

In other words, Jesus said, "Verily I am promising you right now (this moment, today)... (when I come into My Kingdom, vs 42) you shall be there (having been resurrected by Me) and be with me (1 Thessalonians 4:17) and enter into Paradise (Heaven, 3rd), as I shall come again and receive you unto myself (John 14:1-4; 1 Thessalonians 4:16)."

Jesus did not enter "paradise" that day either. Are you also attempting to say that Jesus did do so that day?

 

[timtofly]

I did not say that Jesus lied, nor intimated that He ever did so. What I stated, using the contextual verses and even the underlying koine Greek text, among other global context, was to demonstrate that you misunderstood what Jesus stated. Jesus was not stating (contextually) that the thief would be in 'paradise' that day, but that Jesus was saying unto the thief right then (now, today), as a promise of King to servant, that the thief would enter into paradise at the resurrection, when Jesus returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords (thus having obtained the Kingdom that the thief spake of).

Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day, shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Luk 23:43 και ειπεν αυτω ο ιησους αμην λεγω σοι σημερον μετ εμου εση εν τω παραδεισω​

In other words, Jesus said, "Verily I am promising you right now (this moment, today)... (when I come into My Kingdom, vs 42) you shall be there (having been resurrected by Me) and be with me (1 Thessalonians 4:17) and enter into Paradise (Heaven, 3rd), as I shall come again and receive you unto myself (John 14:1-4; 1 Thessalonians 4:16)."

Jesus did not enter "paradise" that day either. Are you also attempting to say that Jesus did do so that day?

That is what I am saying. When Jesus arose, the thief was already there in Paradise.

"Ye shall be there (having been resurrected by me..."

3 days later was the Resurrection, the thief having been there. The thief was already in Paradise, when his body died. Immediately upon death, the soul of the thief was in Paradise. The body would return to dust.

What you are trying to say is that he missed the resurrection of Jesus, 3 days later, and I ask why? When Stephen was stoned, his soul went to Paradise immediately as well.

I guess it would have been strange if the thief's ghost was walking around with all the OT saints. It would have left a shell on the cross, but the Bible does not say his ghost walked away, when the legs were broken, and he gave up the ghost, died.

Do you not accept that Jesus was involved in a resurrection, just after telling Mary that He was about to ascend to His Father?

 

[Alofa Atu]

That is what I am saying. When Jesus arose, the thief was already there in Paradise.

Not possible. The state of the dead precludes the thief from going to Heaven, as all return unto the earth, and this was stated in the previous video - Who are the 'elders' and 'four beasts' of Revelation 5:8?

See the sermons "Sincerely Dead". The thief asked Jesus to "... remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.", and Jesus, in death, and resurrection and even ascension (AD 31) had not yet received that Kingdom (see Daniel 7:13-14, as already pointed out, among other texts, as Jesus is not sitting on the Throne of His Glory yet, Matthew 19:28, 25:31). The thief in asking for Jesus to "remember" him, is as Job's statement, about the phsyical resurrection, as seen here:

Job_14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!​

 

[timtofly]

Not possible. The state of the dead precludes the thief from going to Heaven, as all return unto the earth, and this was stated in the previous video - Who are the 'elders' and 'four beasts' of Revelation 5:8?

See the sermons "Sincerely Dead". The thief asked Jesus to "... remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.", and Jesus, in death, and resurrection and even ascension (AD 31) had not yet received that Kingdom (see Daniel 7:13-14, as already pointed out, among other texts, as Jesus is not sitting on the Throne of His Glory yet, Matthew 19:28, 25:31). The thief in asking for Jesus to "remember" him, is as Job's statement, about the phsyical resurrection, as seen here:

Job_14:13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!​

Trying to apply blanket truths on a single one time act will not work. Luke 23:42-43

42 Then he said, “Yeshua, remember me when you come as King.”
43 Yeshua said to him, “Yes! I promise that you will be with me today in Gan-‘Eden.”

The thief only asked to be remembered. Jesus did not answer back, "yes I will remember you." No, Jesus specifically gave a certain condition. Not a thought or memory lesson. Jesus clearly stated, "You will be with me." You say when, or does it even matter? Jesus said today, you say never. Jesus said yes, you say no. Why do you argue with Jesus?

Do you accept that Jesus defeated death that day?

Do you accept Abraham's bosom is no longer in sheol?

Do you accept, that even the dead saints, still have to have a glorified body?

Do you accept what Paul said. "Those who die in Christ are immediately with all the OT and NT saints"?

If yes to all of the above, are you saying the thief on the cross is all alone in a grave somewhere, waiting to be remembered?

If you say no to a single point, do you have proof in scripture? From what I have heard the last 50 years, and read of SDA, they agree to all of the above. There is no separate treatment in heaven between OT and NT human "bodies". Any separation is about (on earth) differences of doctrinal statements, of what humans who are actually alive, think and teach. Biblical interpretation has no effect on what happens in heaven. As far as I know, no one has willed heaven to change how it operates.


None of this contradicts Job. Yes Job was in the grave until that day. That day when Jesus defeated death. That day, Job was with Jesus walking around in Jerusalem. After 3.5 days they all were resurrected to heaven along with Jesus. No soul is left in darkness who knew the Lord would remember them, even Job. The thief remembered what Job said. "Remember me" was Job's prayer. The thief remembered Job's prayer, and asked the same thing Job did. Guess what? Jesus said, "YES, today, I will remember, today like Job, you will be with me."

 

[Alofa Atu]

... Do you accept that Jesus defeated death that day? ...

Notice:

1Co_15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.​

Context:

1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.​

 

[Alofa Atu]

...Do you accept what Paul said. "Those who die in Christ are immediately with all the OT and NT saints"? ..

Paul never said what you stated. You cited 'you', not "scripture". I know that "Timothy" is in scripture, I know of no place called "timtofly".

 

[Alofa Atu]

... on what happens in heaven. As far as I know, no one has willed heaven to change how it operates. ...

Do you believe that Heaven (3rd; aka Paradise) is a physical place that is above out atmosphere (first heaven) and out beyond our sun, moon and local sol system (stars) (second heaven)?

 

[timtofly]

Notice:

1Co_15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.​

Context:

1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.​

Defeat, not destroy. 1 Corinthians 15:54-57

54 When what decays puts on imperishability and what is mortal puts on immortality, then this passage in the Tanakh will be fulfilled:

“Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 “Death, where is your victory?
Death, where is your sting?”

56 The sting of death is sin; and sin draws its power from the Torah;
57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah!

 

[Alofa Atu]

Defeat, not destroy. 1 Corinthians 15:54-57

54 When what decays puts on imperishability and what is mortal puts on immortality, then this passage in the Tanakh will be fulfilled:

“Death is swallowed up in victory.

55 “Death, where is your victory?
Death, where is your sting?”

56 The sting of death is sin; and sin draws its power from the Torah;
57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah!

Knew you would attempt to make the distinction between 'defeat' and 'destroy', yet the verse you stated:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?​

Notice the word "victory" and the timing thereof. Look up the word 'destroyed' in the verse I gave.

As for 'defeat', here is some assistance - Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Defeat

I also know of no verse in scripture that states that 'death' was 'defeated' at the Cross. You were simply citing 'you' again.

 

[timtofly]

Paul never said what you stated. You cited 'you', not "scripture". I know that "Timothy" is in scripture, I know of no place called "timtofly".

2 Corinthians 5:1-10

We know that when the tent which houses us here on earth is torn down, we have a permanent building from God, a building not made by human hands, to house us in heaven.
2 For in this tent, our earthly body, we groan with desire to have around us the home from heaven that will be ours.
3 With this around us we will not be found naked.
4 Yes, while we are in this body, we groan with the sense of being oppressed: it is not so much that we want to take something off, but rather to put something on over it; so that what must die may be swallowed up by the Life.
5 Moreover, it is God who has prepared us for this very thing, and as a pledge he has given us his Spirit.
6 So we are always confident — we know that so long as we are at home in the body, we are away from our home with the Lord;
7 for we live by trust, not by what we see.
8 We are confident, then, and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and come to our home with the Lord.
9 Therefore, whether at home or away from home, we try our utmost to please him;
10 for we must all appear before the Messiah’s court of judgment, where everyone will receive the good or bad consequences of what he did while he was in the body.

Who is this all? Are all in Christ both OT and NT?

 

[Alofa Atu]

2 Corinthians 5:1-10

We know that when the tent which houses us here on earth is torn down, we have a permanent building from God, a building not made by human hands, to house us in heaven.
2 For in this tent, our earthly body, we groan with desire to have around us the home from heaven that will be ours.
3 With this around us we will not be found naked.
4 Yes, while we are in this body, we groan with the sense of being oppressed: it is not so much that we want to take something off, but rather to put something on over it; so that what must die may be swallowed up by the Life.
5 Moreover, it is God who has prepared us for this very thing, and as a pledge he has given us his Spirit.
6 So we are always confident — we know that so long as we are at home in the body, we are away from our home with the Lord;
7 for we live by trust, not by what we see.
8 We are confident, then, and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and come to our home with the Lord.
9 Therefore, whether at home or away from home, we try our utmost to please him;
10 for we must all appear before the Messiah’s court of judgment, where everyone will receive the good or bad consequences of what he did while he was in the body.

Who is this all? Are all in Christ both OT and NT?

Already addressed this by Paul himself: Who are the 'elders' and 'four beasts' of Revelation 5:8?

Paul gives the timing of the "when" we shall "be with the Lord". It's in the resurrection/translation, at His coming:

1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
​

You can read more detail here - https://ia801500.us.archive.org/32/items/amazing-facts-pocket-book-joe-crews-absent-from-the-body/Amazing Facts - Pocket Book - Joe Crews - Absent From The Body.pdf

I really suggest reading that, lest I have to post in detail.

 

[timtofly]

Do you believe that Heaven (3rd; aka Paradise) is a physical place that is above out atmosphere (first heaven) and out beyond our sun, moon and local sol system (stars) (second heaven)?

I have no belief. I have trust. I have thoughts. Now I act on those two things.

There is no universe and we are a middle section of a cube. The North Pole is probably the exact center of the cube. There is a sky above us and an area below us. I have not left North America, nor been higher than a normal domestic flight. I see pictures from all over, and I accept they are not lies. If Paul says there are 3 sections to heaven, then there are 3 sections. The stars are angels. Job 38:7 That would be the second heaven. Then above them would be the throne of God and the alter, and under the alter is Paradise.

The solar system was imagined by early Mesopotamia as an ode to Satan by the name of Marduk. Later the solar system was personified in Greece as Satan teamed up with them in the birth of western modern science. There is no Scripture to prove this universe is over 14 billion years old. There is much evidence in Scripture that it is only 7000 years old.

 

[timtofly]

Knew you would attempt to make the distinction between 'defeat' and 'destroy', yet the verse you stated:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?​

Notice the word "victory" and the timing thereof. Look up the word 'destroyed' in the verse I gave.

As for 'defeat', here is some assistance - Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Defeat

I also know of no verse in scripture that states that 'death' was 'defeated' at the Cross. You were simply citing 'you' again.

Yet you also fail to see the distinction between corruption and mortality. If death is defeated, there is no sting. The OT saints were held in captivity of death. They saw corruption. We do not see corruption. Death does not hold our soul in a state of corruption. Death was defeated. That was at the cross. Immortality is still future less then a year. Yet still death is not destroyed, that is not until the Lake of Fire. The rapture only finishes for those alive. Just because some will be alive, does not mean death was not defeated at the Cross. When the process is complete, Death will be swallowed up in victory. But those alive will not die, so how can you say those alive are in a different state than those dead, if victory was not defeated at the Cross?

Death is not a state in heaven, but it is a condition in hell.

 

[Alofa Atu]

I have no belief. I have trust. I have thoughts. Now I act on those two things.

There is no universe and we are a middle section of a cube. The North Pole is probably the exact center of the cube. There is a sky above us and an area below us. I have not left North America, nor been higher than a normal domestic flight. I see pictures from all over, and I accept they are not lies. If Paul says there are 3 sections to heaven, then there are 3 sections. The stars are angels. Job 38:7 That would be the second heaven. Then above them would be the throne of God and the alter, and under the alter is Paradise. ...

This explains so much.

 

[timtofly]

Already addressed this by Paul himself: Who are the 'elders' and 'four beasts' of Revelation 5:8?

Paul gives the timing of the "when" we shall "be with the Lord". It's in the resurrection/translation, at His coming:

1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
​

You can read more detail here - https://ia801500.us.archive.org/32/items/amazing-facts-pocket-book-joe-crews-absent-from-the-body/Amazing Facts - Pocket Book - Joe Crews - Absent From The Body.pdf

I really suggest reading that, lest I have to post in detail.

So you agree with me the soul cannot die, nor has a body? I already stated that the soul represented God. The physical flesh represented God the Son. Our spirit which is currently in heaven is our glorified body, and it represented the Holy Spirit.

What is difficult to understand that our spirit, glorified body is the robe of white? It cannot reunite, until all in Christ are one in Him in heaven. No saint (soul) has been connected with their own spirit. The spirit is in the presence of God. The soul is in Paradise under the alter, is a ghost. A ghost that identifies who we are. What no one has mentioned is will there be two bodies, but just the glorified one. Because Paul says, all will be changed. Yes, I read the point of 3 bodies. Really? Paul did not worry about an unclothed soul. Sorry, bad interpretation.

Sleep is a Judaism term. It is mentioned in the NT because it was in their vocabulary. But sleep stopped at the Cross. It was the defeat of death. The psalmist said they would only sleep until the cross. This was hundreds of years even before the prophets. It was against the pagan belief against death being final. Satan tried to confuse the truth with this place of gods called Hades. It was half true. But was accepted as fiction just like they have all been written into science fiction again today. Death was final; soul sleep was fiction, is the pagan view. The truth was all ocult was forbidden, no mentioning the dead at all. Not that it was fiction, but reality that God said was not the concern of His chosen people. So David called it sleep, and one day his body would no longer suffer corruption.

Yes, before Christ there was soul sleep. No, not now. "We shall not sleep", all, even the firstfruits, the OT saints.

 

[timtofly]

This explains so much.

Well I am sure I will not be as accepted as EGW, was, but I have never claimed I was special. I just have a job like everyone in Christ. You certainly have free will to believe anything you want.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Well I am sure I will not be as accepted as EGW, was, but I have never claimed I was special. I just have a job like everyone in Christ. You certainly have free will to believe anything you want.

To "believe anything you want" is actually called "heresy" (G139, from G138, 'to choose for oneself (apart from)') in scripture.

I believe what is written about the earth, and the heavens (3 of them, the sky (atmosphere; Genesis 1:20), local sol system (sun, moon and stars therein dwell; Genesis 1:14,17) and the third Heaven (aka "Paradise"; the place where God actually physically dwells; 2 Corinthians 12:2,4; Matthew 6:9)). It is not a 'cube'. The earth, by scripture, is a spheroid (Isaiah 40:22; more indepth if needed, for the heaven above is rounded as the 'bow' (iow. curved)), which sits in the midst of 'nothing' (Job 26:7), as like all the other heavenly bodies (stars (sun(s)) and worlds, moon(s))). All the worlds circle ('surround', "round about") the throne of Deity, as it is written in scripture (Revelation 5:11, etc). Nature itself shows you this also, as also the spiritual. The very winds and its effects tell you this (Ecclesiastes 1:6), as they are affected by the heat of the sun., and so many things.

 

[Oseas3]

Who are the 'elders' and 'four beasts' of Revelation 5:8?

A statement was made in another thread (recently closed) which stated:

This has brought about this thread and question.

In a full study of Revelation 5:8 (in context) there are no beings of mankind present, but only the "elders" (aka Ancients (Isaiah 24:23), leaders or Heavenly High counsel of the unfallen worlds (Luke 15:4-6; Revelation 12:12)) and the "four beasts" (representing all the beings from the unfallen worlds). They are acting as 'priests' in the Heavenly Sanctuary, as the angels ascend with the prayers of the saints (2 Chronicles 30:27; Psalms 6:9, 30:8, 66:19, 119:170; Daniel 9:20-23; Matthew 18:10; Luke 1:13; Acts 10:31, etc) unto them, presenting them to the Great High Priest, Jesus Christ, who presents them before the Father in His righteousness (Revelation 8:3-4).

The only beings of Mankind that are in heaven at that time are Enoch, Moses, Elijah, Firstfruits and Jesus, none of which are the 'elders' or 'four beasts'.

Answering the question of the topic, here goes who are the 24 enthroned elders clothed in WHITE RAIMENTS, and their respective NAMES:

The question is: Who are the 24 elders sat on 24 thrones? They are already enthroned around God's throne clothed in WHITE RAIMENT and they have on their heads CROWNS of gold, no? Therefore, they're already crowned, are not they? Be sure that God did choose 24 men unto which He would reveal His Word to write the books of the Old Testament.
Here goes the 24 enthroned elders showed in Revelation 4:v.4
They are the 24 messengers of the Word (the Word is God), beginning by Moses:
1 - Moses
2 - Joshua
3 - Samuel
4 - Ezra
5 - Nehemiah
6 - Job
7 - David
8 - Solomon
9 - Isaiah
10 - Jeremiah
11 - Ezekiel
12 - Daniel
13 - Hosea
14 - Joel
15 - Amos
16 - Obadiah
17 - Jonah
18 - Micah
19 - Nahum
20 - Habakkuk
21 - Zephaniah
22 - Haggai
23 - Zechariah
24 - Malachi
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. (Which are the seven Spirits of God? Good question, no?
Rev. 4:10-12 KJV
10 The four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship Him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their CROWNS before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive Glory and Honour and Power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Amen.

 

[Oseas3]

And what about the 12 Apostles of the Lord? Are they already enthroned as the 24 elders which are listed above and are already enthroned in the third heaven?

By the way, are not the 12 Apostles that will Judge the twelve tribes of Israel? JESUS said they do.
Matthew 19:27-28KJV
27 Then answered Peter and said unto JESUS, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, IN THE REGENERATION when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The Apostles are waiting their resurrection, they will be enthroned yet, even now IN THE REGENERATION, and the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory.Rev.2:v.26-27

Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only wise God, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings and LORD of lords
Oseas

 

[Oseas3]

Revelation 11:v.15-19

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations will be angry, and God's wrath comes, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that God gives reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

There will be EARTHQUAKES in divers PLACES from now on, I do not know in what places JESUS will do to happen them, even in places where tectonic plates inexist, understand? For example, Brazil, among others.

REMEMBER:

Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as JESUS sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming? and of the END of the WORLD? Mat.24:v.1-3

JESUS warning about the happennings in the beginning of the sorrows:

Mat.24:v.7-8 - 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom(this will fulfil LITERALLY from now on): and there shall be PESTILENCES(this plague JESUS is already fulfilling literally), and FAMINES(this punishment is in the radar), and earthquakes in divers places(this I have commented above). 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Be sure that our LORD JESUS was not talking about random events caused by nature, no, was not, in fact JESUS was revealing to the disciples the events that He, Himself, with his own power, would provoke or cause in the earth in this time of the END, with the same Power that He rebuked the wind and the sea and there was a calm, and the disciples marveled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!

JESUS is already fulfilling LITERALLY His words, and He sent first the PESTILENCE as we have seen, by the way, Habakkuk 3:v.5-6 prophesied saying: 5 Before Him went the PESTILENCE, and burning coals went forth at his feet. 6 He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld, and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: His ways are everlasting.

The next punishment in accord the word of JESUS is the FAMINE, and earthquakes will happen in divers PLACES. I repeat: honestly, I do not know what places will be chastised with earthquakes, but I am sure that they can happen even in any place where there is not tectonic plates.

These earthquakes that will be caused by the Power of JESUS from now on, will not be equal as natural phenomena through movements of tectonic plates, no, they will not be by natural phenomena. These earthquakes IN DIVERS PLACES that will be caused by JESUS, they may occur even in places where nature does not offer conditions to happen, and where it never happened, for example, Brazil is one of these places.

May our LORD God bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen