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Who changed the sabbath?

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Alcott

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So you still rest from all work on the 7th day?
What is worship? Isn't it to obey?

One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God [Romans 14:5-6].

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:16-17].

So.........
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Jason1

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One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God [Romans 14:5-6].

Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ [Colossians 2:16-17].

So............shut up!
You TOTALLY took Paul's letter out of context and misapplied it. On top of that, Paul does not have the ability to annul any laws or add any laws. This type of thinking has messed up the church to no end.
 

Alcott

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You TOTALLY took Paul's letter out of context and misapplied it. On top of that, Paul does not have the ability to annul any laws or add any laws. This type of thinking has messed up the church to no end.

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MennoSota

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Jason, we know how deeply wrong your cult is, so much so that you have no place in the body of Christ. Your darkness and blindness can only be prayed for so that, by God's merciful grace, you might be saved. It is clear that, despite your attempt at a pious life, YHWH has never known you as His child.
Until you are reconciled to Christ, it is pointless to discuss YHWH and His will with you.

My sincere prayers for your redemption.
 

Jason1

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Jason, we know how deeply wrong your cult is, so much so that you have no place in the body of Christ. Your darkness and blindness can only be prayed for so that, by God's merciful grace, you might be saved. It is clear that, despite your attempt at a pious life, YHWH has never known you as His child.
Until you are reconciled to Christ, it is pointless to discuss YHWH and His will with you.

My sincere prayers for your redemption.
[Edited to read: MennoSota] - you are a bird that seeks to eat the good seed so that others may not hear and let it grow within them so that they may repent and obey.

The good seed is the word.

2Ti_3:13 But evil men and impostors shall go on to the worse, leading astray and being led astray
 
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MennoSota

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Marcionsota - you are a bird that seeks to eat the good seed so that others may not hear and let it grow within them so that they may repent and obey.

The good seed is the word.

2Ti_3:13 But evil men and impostors shall go on to the worse, leading astray and being led astray
You abuse God's word like Satan, Jason.
 

TCassidy

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So you still rest from all work on the 7th day?
No. Our rest is in Christ, Who is our Sabbath Rest.

Those who still legalistically are Sabbath keepers are saying, by their actions, that they have not entered into their rest in Christ. :(

Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12).

Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.

How is Jesus our Sabbath Rest?
 

Jason1

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No. Our rest is in Christ, Who is our Sabbath Rest.

Those who still legalistically are Sabbath keepers are saying, by their actions, that they have not entered into their rest in Christ. :(

Hebrews 10:1 tells us that the law "can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship." But these sacrifices were offered in anticipation of the ultimate sacrifice of Christ on the cross, who "after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right of God" (Hebrews 10:12).

Just as He rested after performing the ultimate sacrifice, He sat down and rested—ceased from His labor of atonement because there was nothing more to be done, ever. Because of what He did, we no longer have to "labor" in law-keeping in order to be justified in the sight of God. Jesus was sent so that we might rest in God and in what He has provided.

How is Jesus our Sabbath Rest?
This is a silly argument: "Jesus came so now I don't have to rest on the 7th day and honor the Creator nor do anything He ever said".

No, the sabbath command remains and rest from your work remains. It is misapplying hebrews in an attempt to annul an eternal law. The same thing happens with peter's vision in a vain attempt to make all meats clean when that wasn't the context at all.

Law keeping is still required or else you are sinning (1 john 3:4). Only those who keep the commandments are allowed to eat from the tree of life (Rev 22:14). It is the saints who are saved and are law keepers (Rev 14:12). Law keeping is how we know Him and Love Him. Faith is hearing AND doing.

Law breakers shall be thrown into everlasting darkness because they are workers of iniquity (Luke 13:27)
 

Jason1

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Yes, that is a silly argument. Which is why I didn't say that. You did. You had to dishonestly mischaracterize what I said in order to hide your heresy.
My heresy? That we keep the eternal sabbath of Elohim as He said? Wow, who I am to suggest that we actually obey the Creator of the universe...

Who is the true heretic? The one who says it is not required or the one who says we must obey?

Psa_10:13 Why do the wrong scorn Elohim? He has said in his heart, “It is not required.”​
 
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MennoSota

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My heresy? That we keep the eternal sabbath of Elohim as He said? Wow, who I am to suggest that we actually obey the Creator of the universe...

Who is the true heretic? The one who says it is not required or the one who says we must obey?

Psa_10:13 Why do the wrong scorn Elohim? He has said in his heart, “It is not required.”​
That's precisely how Satan would use that verse, Jason.
 
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