Who changed the sabbath?

[BobRyan]

Where in the NEW Testamnet, under the New Covenant,

And Hebrews 8:6-10 says that NEW Covenant is UNCHANGED from its Jer 31:31-33 form where the "LAW of God is written on the heart" according to the actual text of the actual New Covenant of scripture.

Bible details matter.

were we commanded to keep the OT Sabbath though?

Hint -- Ephesians 6:2 - the TEN Commandment unit STILL applicable to the saints.

 

[BobRyan]

Those who are enslaved under the Law must be freed by Jesus under His Grace!

Your quotes of "you" seem to be endless.

 

[Jason1]

If this ever happens to Jason, we know what he will required to do...
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
[11]“If two Israelite men get into a fight and the wife of one tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man,
[12]you must cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Why does this vulture not go away? He already said he would fly off but he keeps coming back for more spite for the Word of YHVH.

 

[liafailrock]

If this ever happens to Jason, we know what he will required to do...
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
[11]“If two Israelite men get into a fight and the wife of one tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the testicles of the other man,
[12]you must cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

Why is he required to do this?

 

[MennoSota]

Why is he required to do this?

Torah. He must follow the law prescribed in the Torah in order to be saved. This is his belief.
Jason says he is not required to follow the "oral" law, but he is required to follow the Torah...exactly as God has prescribed. Thus, if Jason has a wife who does a grab in his defense...her hand must be chopped off.
Notice that Jason seems reticent to follow this law.

 

[Jason1]

Torah. He must follow the law prescribed in the Torah in order to be saved. This is his belief.
Jason says he is not required to follow the "oral" law, but he is required to follow the Torah...exactly as God has prescribed. Thus, if Jason has a wife who does a grab in his defense...her hand must be chopped off.
Notice that Jason seems reticent to follow this law.

It'd be nice if you'd even try to look at the spiritual application or teaching of this law. But how can a blind man see?

 

[MennoSota]

The law is the law. Follow the Torah as YHWH prescribes. Failure to do so is failure to follow the law and sure condemnation by YHWH.
To create a "spiritualization" of the law is to be a Judaiser who created "oral" law not found in the Torah.
My bet is that Jason would choose to break God's law if his wife stepped in to keep him from being bested by another man. Or...perhaps Jason would cut his wife's hand off in order to obey the law.

 

[liafailrock]

Torah. He must follow the law prescribed in the Torah in order to be saved. This is his belief.
Jason says he is not required to follow the "oral" law, but he is required to follow the Torah...exactly as God has prescribed. Thus, if Jason has a wife who does a grab in his defense...her hand must be chopped off.
Notice that Jason seems reticent to follow this law.

Christ took that punishment. Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse (Galatians 3:13), so that we are saved for good works (Ephesians 2:10). Don't confuse the penalty with the standard. He paid my fine for blowing a stop sign but that does not mean I am free to not stop at stop signs any longer. And if I keep going thru them, then the one who paid the price wonders if I really care that the price was paid and if I repented. When people lump the penalty and standards of the Law (righteousness) together, and then come up with the idea we are "no longer under the Law" and it's "done away with" one walks a very dangerous ground. (Romans 6:1-4). And what is sin? I John 3:4

 

[Adonia]

It'd be nice if you'd even try to look at the spiritual application or teaching of this law. But how can a blind man see?

Of course you would find an excuse not to see that this law was followed. You keep trying to have things both ways vis a' vis the OT/NT - you can't. For the Gentile the NT replaces the OT - Jesus has set you free from all that early stuff.

 

[Yeshua1]

It'd be nice if you'd even try to look at the spiritual application or teaching of this law. But how can a blind man see?

How were you saved then? On what Basis did God grant you eternal life, and what must you do to stay saved then?

 

[Yeshua1]

Christ took that punishment. Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse (Galatians 3:13), so that we are saved for good works (Ephesians 2:10). Don't confuse the penalty with the standard. He paid my fine for blowing a stop sign but that does not mean I am free to not stop at stop signs any longer. And if I keep going thru them, then the one who paid the price wonders if I really care that the price was paid and if I repented. When people lump the penalty and standards of the Law (righteousness) together, and then come up with the idea we are "no longer under the Law" and it's "done away with" one walks a very dangerous ground. (Romans 6:1-4). And what is sin? I John 3:4

Jesus paid for all of my sins, so will be eternally secured in Him....

 

[Yeshua1]

Your quotes of "you" seem to be endless.

At least not quoting a false prophetess!

 

[BobRyan]

At least not quoting a false prophetess!

If the choice is between simply quoting yourself or quoting a false prophetess ... fine.

But unless you can show that a false prophetess wrote the Bible texts I have been quoting - you are simply grasping at straws for an explanation for your methods.

 

[Yeshua1]

If the choice is between simply quoting yourself or quoting a false prophetess ... fine.

But unless you can show that a false prophetess wrote the Bible texts I have been quoting - you are simply grasping at straws for an explanation for your methods.

The church met and assembled and worshipped on Sunday, the Lord's day, correct?

 

[BobRyan]

Christ took that punishment. Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse (Galatians 3:13), so that we are saved for good works (Ephesians 2:10). Don't confuse the penalty with the standard. He paid my fine for blowing a stop sign but that does not mean I am free to not stop at stop signs any longer. And if I keep going thru them, then the one who paid the price wonders if I really care that the price was paid and if I repented. When people lump the penalty and standards of the Law (righteousness) together, and then come up with the idea we are "no longer under the Law" and it's "done away with" one walks a very dangerous ground. (Romans 6:1-4). And what is sin? I John 3:4

Very true -- good texts, good argument. Don't be too surprised if the objection to your post is "text-less" when it comes to scripture.

As an illustration of the point you make - as Christians we are NOT to take God's name in vain - even though Christ did not take God's name in vain - and complied perfectly with that command.

Some would say "obviously" -- and it is true my point is obvious - but often in these discussion the side of affirming God's' Commandments is the side of upholding "the obvious".

 

[BobRyan]

The church met and assembled and worshipped on Sunday, the Lord's day, correct?

Is there some text in the Bible that says the NT Christians met every Sabbath to hear Gospel preaching - BOTH Jews AND Gentiles? --- Yes Acts 18:4.
Is there some Bible text that says that the "seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"" -- yes - Exodus 20:8-11.
Is there some Bible text that says that the SABBATH is the "Holy Day of the Lord"? YES Isaiah 58:13
Is there some Bible text that says that for ALL eternity AFTER the cross in the NEW Earth ALL MANKIND will come before God "from Sabbath to Sabbath to worship" ?? yes Isaiah 66:23
IS there some Bible NT text that says "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" -- YES Hebrews 4:9

Is there some Bible text that says that "week day 1 is the Sabbath"? -- no!
Is there some Bible text that says that "week day 1 is the LORD's Day"? -- No!
Is there some Bible text in the NT that says the NT Christians met every week-day-1 to hear Gospel preaching? No.
Is there some Bible text that says that the "week-day-1 is the Sabbath OR the Lord's Day" -- No.
Is there some Bible text that says that "Week day 1 is the Holy Day of the Lord"? No
Is there some Bible text that says that for ALL eternity AFTER the cross in the NEW Earth ALL MANKIND will come before God "from week-day-1 to week-day-1 to worship" ?? no
IS there some Bible NT text that says "There REMAINS therefore week-day-1 as the Lord's day rest for the people of God" -- No

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Ok so then that's the Bible answer to the topic.

But what if you just want to "quote yourself" ? What if the Bible answer is not satisfactory for you?
Wouldn't it be much easier just to "pontificate some option" as your own sorta-bible?

The Sabbath day was never changed, as that was for Israel, while God gave sunday, rd's day, to the church!

Now see? You didn't need even one text for that sort of solution. Much easier!!

 

[BobRyan]

In Heb 4 "there REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God"
in Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
in Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath MADE FOR MANKIND"
in Acts 18:4 "EVERY Sabbath - BOTH Jews and gentiles gathered for Gospel preaching in the synagogues"
in Acts 15 "Moses is heard EVERY Sabbath in the synagogues"
in John 14:15 "if you Love Me KEEP My Commandments"
in Eph 6:;2 the UNIT to TEN - REMAINs with the 5th comandment as the "First commandment" in that still valid unit of Ten "With a promise"
in Mark 7:56-13 the UNIT of TEN remains as the "Commandment of God" and the "Word of God" according to Christ Himself.
in Hebrews 8:6-10 the NEW Covenant with the "LAW of God written on the heart" as given by Christ at Sinai.
in 1 John 5:2-3 "this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments"

Rev 14:7 the Sabbath commandment is quoted from directly.

Romans 8:4-10
He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

 

[BobRyan]

Jason: Question. I'm assuming when you keep weekly Sabbath that you also keep the annual Sabbaths, too (as part of the 4th commandment), i.e. feast days? I do.

The 4th commandment says "SIX DAYS you shall labor and do all your work BUT THE 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord... for in SIX Days the LORD MADE the heavens and the earth" --

When you say this six days 'is annual' -- is it because your year is only 6 or 7 days long??

 

[Yeshua1]

Is there some text in the Bible that says the NT Christians met every Sabbath to hear Gospel preaching - BOTH Jews AND Gentiles? --- Yes Acts 18:4.
Is there some Bible text that says that the "seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD"" -- yes - Exodus 20:8-11.
Is there some Bible text that says that the SABBATH is the "Holy Day of the Lord"? YES Isaiah 58:13
Is there some Bible text that says that for ALL eternity AFTER the cross in the NEW Earth ALL MANKIND will come before God "from Sabbath to Sabbath to worship" ?? yes Isaiah 66:23
IS there some Bible NT text that says "There REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" -- YES Hebrews 4:9

Is there some Bible text that says that "week day 1 is the Sabbath"? -- no!
Is there some Bible text that says that "week day 1 is the LORD's Day"? -- No!
Is there some Bible text in the NT that says the NT Christians met every week-day-1 to hear Gospel preaching? No.
Is there some Bible text that says that the "week-day-1 is the Sabbath OR the Lord's Day" -- No.
Is there some Bible text that says that "Week day 1 is the Holy Day of the Lord"? No
Is there some Bible text that says that for ALL eternity AFTER the cross in the NEW Earth ALL MANKIND will come before God "from week-day-1 to week-day-1 to worship" ?? no
IS there some Bible NT text that says "There REMAINS therefore week-day-1 as the Lord's day rest for the people of God" -- No

The Sabbath day was never changed, as that was for Israel, while God gave sunday, rd's day, to the church!

 

[liafailrock]

The 4th commandment says "SIX DAYS you shall labor and do all your work BUT THE 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord... for in SIX Days the LORD MADE the heavens and the earth" --

When you say this six days 'is annual' -- is it because your year is only 6 or 7 days long??

I didn't say that. I said there were annual Sabbaths in which it was commanded to cease from work. Like the weekly Sabbath, they, too, have meaning and are "shadows of things to come". The 4th commandment makes provisions for the weekly Sabbath which then can be extrapolated to other Sabbaths using the same principle.