Who Did Cain Marry?

[Baptist4life]

So, B4L, U don't think I have the courage to reply? Well, you've been badly fooled!

So, you STILL believe God condoned incest between full siblings?

HORSE FEATHERS!

Incest is about as strong a "taboo" as there is, even among people who've never hearda God. And we know, without a doubt, that such incest usually produces a 'defective' child, who is both mentally and physically inferior to other children.

That 'pure gene pool' stuff is also horse feathers. We have the same gene pool as all homo sapinns have ever had. what's changed is the condition of the earth. Even after A&E sinned, the earth itself was still pretty pristine. And it remained so after the Flood, with diseases, etc. slowly spreading. By David's time, a person past age 70 was rare.(I realize Dave's life was cut short by CHF as parta his punishment for his earlier great sins, but again, people older than 70 were rare.)

As for the races...Like produces like, just as GOD said. Black people with no other racial ancestry always produce black children. So do whites, Asians, etc.
There are five distinct races of people-white, black, Asian, "Indian"(Mongols, American Indians, Ilyuts, etc.) and Bushmen. Each reproduces after its own kind if there's no interracial mixing in their ancestry. Now, I'd liketa see an explanation for the races, besides that silly 'pure gene pool' stuff. And NO, they were NOT 'mutants. A mutant of any creature does not reproduce itself, but reproduces likenesses of its parents.

Now, I have NOT unequivocally ever said that GOD produced other people to provide spouses for A&E's children, and Noah's grandchildren. But I HAVE said that such creation is one possibility of where those people obtained spouses.What I AM saying is that GOD did NOT condone incest between full siblings. And we see the CURSE of the "mystery, Babylon" religion descended from the incestuous union of Nimrod with his own mother Semiramis.

However we answer the spouse-origin question is conjecture, as Scripture is silent about it. And it's also silent about the origin of the races. But Scripture is NOT silent about INCEST! The closest incest GOD condoned was between half-siblings, such as Abraham and Sarah. But He later forbade that among the Israelis after they left Egypt.

And, it's clear that God had given other laws to mankind, even before they were written. For example, Cain knew he'd done wrong by whacking Abel, and we see Reuben getting in trouble for laying with Bilhah, his father's concubine. So, saying man didn't know not to commit incest is no excuse!

And, as I said umpteen times before, on other boards, I am open to any answer where Cain's wife came from that DOESN'T INVOLVE INCEST! Same for a VALID explanation of where the various races came from.

Well, thank you for FINALLY posting what you believe! Now others can know just how "strange" I think what you believe is!

 

[convicted1]

These were couples where there was no infidelity/adultery at all. Naturally, that would be a suspicion, but there were tests done on the babies that proved that those couples were the biological parents, and the babies still came out opposite color.

So then there were some "black" in the white "woodpile" and "white" in the black "woodpile". I heard a few years back, of some african-americans who were "Jeffersons" who claimed to be descendents from Thomas Jefferson and one of his slaves. They were proven correct, but they were black in skin color, though.

 

[robycop3]

Race does not always beget race. Look up white couple has black baby, black couple has white baby; there's a ton of them.

Did I not say IF THERE WAS NO INTERRACIAL ANCESTRY for a given couple both of a given race?

Many American blacks have some white ancestry, as the "massa" often felt he had free use of his slaves, including XXX. And white teenage boys of slave owners were often "initiated" with a black lady. Not to mention outright rape. These were among the many sins committed against blacks in America 150 years ago, and before.

Only recently has there been much interracial relationships in Japan, and it was very rare for a Japanese child in the past to not resemble all others in skin & eye color, and other characteristics of face and hair. Same with Bushmen.

God said, "after their own kind". Now, if there's been NO interracial ancestry of a given couple of the same race, they're gonna reproduce after their own kind, simple as that.

 

[Mexdeaf]

These were couples where there was no infidelity/adultery at all. Naturally, that would be a suspicion, but there were tests done on the babies that proved that those couples were the biological parents, and the babies still came out opposite color. Sometimes I think God does it on purpose just to mess with racists' heads!

Skin color is not determined by one gene, it is determined by many (this is called polygenic inheritance), therefore there are many factors that have a role in the skin color of a person besides the skin colors of their parents. Height and weight are also polygenic which is why short parents can have tall children and so forth.

 

[robycop3]

So then there were some "black" in the white "woodpile" and "white" in the black "woodpile". I heard a few years back, of some african-americans who were "Jeffersons" who claimed to be descendents from Thomas Jefferson and one of his slaves. They were proven correct, but they were black in skin color, though.

Sorry, Convicted1, but that's cuz the white gene became recessive, especially if "the Jeffersons" had no further white ancestry. However, 'tis possible they could have a light-skinned child on down the road, even if they wed other blacks exclusively. They might score a white or almost-white kid if one weds another black with some white ancestry.

I've known the head of the ICU where my wife was in 2000 after that bus accident; her family has a history of interracial marriages for at least four generations, although her parents were dark-skinned blacks with all the other features of most American blacks. She is rather ashen-complected, with straight hair and thin lips. Her hubby is an ordinary black men; her children are light-brown with wavy hair.

But one thing is certain...they're all of the HUMAN race. GOD has NO prohibition against racial mixing, except He commanded Israel to marry within itself, after they'd brought enough of other peoples within their nation to ensure a mixed gene pool, in the days before Moses. (remember, the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh had an Egyptian "founding mother".)

So, Sportzz fanzz, the choice is either to believe Dr. Ach...or GOD.

 

[robycop3]

Well, the one who God called out of his homeland, to give him a new land to dwell in, he, Abram at that time, married his half-sister, Sarai.

Please note that I had said, "FULL siblings".

 

[Baptist4life]

God said, "after their own kind". Now, if there's been NO interracial ancestry of a given couple of the same race, they're gonna reproduce after their own kind, simple as that.

So you're saying God created all the different races apart from Adam and Eve? Were they created as infants or adults? Were they created with a sin nature or did they fall? How do you ignore Genesis 3:20?

 

[Arbo]

At what point chronologically was the prohibition made? If memory serves, many generations after Adam, Cain, and Noah.

 

[Salty]

Please note that I had said, "FULL siblings".

(Note: bold my emphasis)


Interesting - than did Abram and Sara commit half-incest?

 

[quantumfaith]

Link doesn't work; says "page not found."

Let me see if I can "fix" it

 

[Luke2427]

I'm starting this thread because I would like some of your thoughts on just who you believe Cain's wife was?

Cain's wife was clearly the daughter of his mother-in-law.

:thumbs:

 

[Luke2427]

So, B4L, U don't think I have the courage to reply? Well, you've been badly fooled!

So, you STILL believe God condoned incest between full siblings?

HORSE FEATHERS!

Incest is about as strong a "taboo" as there is, even among people who've never hearda God. And we know, without a doubt, that such incest usually produces a 'defective' child, who is both mentally and physically inferior to other children.

That 'pure gene pool' stuff is also horse feathers. We have the same gene pool as all homo sapinns have ever had. what's changed is the condition of the earth. Even after A&E sinned, the earth itself was still pretty pristine. And it remained so after the Flood, with diseases, etc. slowly spreading. By David's time, a person past age 70 was rare.(I realize Dave's life was cut short by CHF as parta his punishment for his earlier great sins, but again, people older than 70 were rare.)

As for the races...Like produces like, just as GOD said. Black people with no other racial ancestry always produce black children. So do whites, Asians, etc.
There are five distinct races of people-white, black, Asian, "Indian"(Mongols, American Indians, Ilyuts, etc.) and Bushmen. Each reproduces after its own kind if there's no interracial mixing in their ancestry. Now, I'd liketa see an explanation for the races, besides that silly 'pure gene pool' stuff. And NO, they were NOT 'mutants. A mutant of any creature does not reproduce itself, but reproduces likenesses of its parents.

Now, I have NOT unequivocally ever said that GOD produced other people to provide spouses for A&E's children, and Noah's grandchildren. But I HAVE said that such creation is one possibility of where those people obtained spouses.What I AM saying is that GOD did NOT condone incest between full siblings. And we see the CURSE of the "mystery, Babylon" religion descended from the incestuous union of Nimrod with his own mother Semiramis.

However we answer the spouse-origin question is conjecture, as Scripture is silent about it. And it's also silent about the origin of the races. But Scripture is NOT silent about INCEST! The closest incest GOD condoned was between half-siblings, such as Abraham and Sarah. But He later forbade that among the Israelis after they left Egypt.

And, it's clear that God had given other laws to mankind, even before they were written. For example, Cain knew he'd done wrong by whacking Abel, and we see Reuben getting in trouble for laying with Bilhah, his father's concubine. So, saying man didn't know not to commit incest is no excuse!

And, as I said umpteen times before, on other boards, I am open to any answer where Cain's wife came from that DOESN'T INVOLVE INCEST! Same for a VALID explanation of where the various races came from.

Cain got his wife from his sister- it's as simple as that.

Incest is not the greatest taboo in the world- that statement is bogus.

God did not condemn incest before Moses so there is absolutely no reason to think that Cain would have thought it wrong to marry his sister.

Cain did not care much about the law of God at some point in his life since he WAS A MURDERER.

Even if it was taboo in Cain's day (which there is no reason to think it was) Cain might not have cared what was and wasn't taboo.

No two people ever shared closer genes than Adam and Eve (Eve was LITERALLY taken out of Adam's body) and God COMMANDED them to mate. So the idea that God condemned sibling intermarrying in Cain's day continues to crumble.

You are way too dogmatic against pre-Mosaic law incest without sufficient support for such dogmatism.

And I could go on and on.

 

[quantumfaith]

Link doesn't work; says "page not found."

http://biologos.org/blog/on-genesis-2-and-3

Don, here it is, hope it works this time.

 

[Baptist4life]

Cain's wife was clearly the daughter of his mother-in-law.

:thumbs:

But if he married his sister, his mother-in-law would be his mother! :thumbs:

 

[Salty]

Cain ... WAS A MURDERER.

Even if it was taboo in Cain's day (which there is no reason to think it was) Cain might not have cared what was and wasn't taboo. ...

But had God made a commandment against murder before Cain killed his brother?
The first reference of a murderer in the Bible was more than 2000 years after creation and is found Numbers 35:16.

The KJV says of Moses " he slew the Egyptian," not murdered. ( and for non-KJO folks :smilewinkgrin: several other versions do not use the term murder!)
This link gives the versions and a Matthew Henry commentary

 

[percho]

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:1,2

Was Cain a son of God and was his wife a daughter of men?

What man was she a daughter of?

 

[DrJamesAch]

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Gen 6:1,2

Was Cain a son of God and was his wife a daughter of men?

What man was she a daughter of?

" Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord." Job 2:1

 

[preacher4truth]

I think it was Billy Sunday (but I may be wrong) who was confronted by a man who told him he would become a believer if Sunday could tell him where Cain got his wife. Sunday replied, "You won't be the first person who went to hell because he was thinking about some other man's wife." :laugh:

Great. But he was already on his way to hell prior to his question.

 

[Salty]

Great. But he was already on his way to hell prior to his question.

Only if he was not of the elect!

(sorry, couldn't resist :smilewinkgrin

 

[convicted1]

Only if he was not of the elect!

(sorry, couldn't resist :smilewinkgrin

So, you're saying you were irresistibly drawn to make that post? That you had no other choice than to make that post? That God, from before the foundation of the world, decreed you would make that post? Is that what you're really saying?