Who Did Cain Marry?

[preacher4truth]

Two consecutive sacrilegious posts. Interesting. All this offered gregariously or in jest toward a lost man.

Yes. We should make jest against soteriological truth according to both of you.

Congrats!

 

[Winman]

How about Lilith's half-sister from Krypton?

That Cain had a wife is scripture. Who, when, where, why and how are speculation, regardless of how educated one's guesses might be.

There was a world population, no census available, that perished in the Flood. The gene pool was preserved through the sons of Noah. The nature to sin was also passed on through the genes. All of mankind, regardless of melanin levels in the skin, inherit the sin nature which originated with the first man--Adam. Example: all of mankind dies physically and spiritually, having alienated ourselves from God.

Purity of race is a peculiar notion which evolved(?) thanks to Charles Darwin, etal. Gene pools have been scattered around the globe by explorers, conquistadors, and merchants of various persuasions.

Evolution is a lie. Now what?

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

Oh brother, another person who believes we inherit a sin nature through our genes from Adam.

This is proven false by Jesus Christ himself, the scriptures say he was "made" of the "seed" of David "according to the flesh".

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Paul also showed that Jesus shared the same flesh as the Jews;

Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

The "of whom" in verse 5 points directly back to "the fathers" showing Jesus was physically descended from his Jewish fathers according to the flesh.

So, this belief that sin is inherited through the flesh or genes is nothing but a superstition that goes directly against scripture.

 

[Baptist4life]

Doesn't anyone find the belief that some have, that God created the races separately, pretty amazing? I mean, that would undermine the first few chapters of Genesis! And raise all kinds of questions, some of which I 've brought up in my other posts.

 

[Winman]

Doesn't anyone find the belief that some have, that God created the races separately, pretty amazing? I mean, that would undermine the first few chapters of Genesis! And raise all kinds of questions, some of which I 've brought up in my other posts.

Yes, it is said that you can breed every type of dog from a pair of wolves, likewise, all races of men came from Adam and Eve.

More than likely what truly caused the different races we see today is when everyone separated by language at the tower of Babel. Men separated into tribes and interbred with those of the same language. Some traits became dominant over time.

 

[quantumfaith]

Yes, it is said that you can breed every type of dog from a pair of wolves, likewise, all races of men came from Adam and Eve.

More than likely what truly caused the different races we see today is when everyone separated by language at the tower of Babel. Men separated into tribes and interbred with those of the same language. Some traits became dominant over time.

Winman, how did "some traits" become "dominant" over time?

 

[LillyoftheValley]

No two people ever shared closer genes than Adam and Eve (Eve was LITERALLY taken out of Adam's body) and God COMMANDED them to mate. So the idea that God condemned sibling intermarrying in Cain's day continues to crumble.

:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Winman]

Winman, how did "some traits" become "dominant" over time?

Well, I am not expert on genetics or any of this stuff, but if black people bred with black people, in time it would seem reasonable that certain traits might become dominant, the same with white people, yellow, whatever...

Language would also tend to reduce the gene pool. Generally speaking, you notice that some nations are a little shorter, such as the French or Scots. I have noticed that many people from eastern Europe such as Poland tend to be very tall. People from Columbia, Peru, or Ecuador tend to be very short. This is from interbreeding over long centuries with people of like language.

Today everyone is coming back together into one pool, there is much interracial marriage and everything is sifting out (for lack of a better word).

 

[robycop3]

So you're saying God created all the different races apart from Adam and Eve? Were they created as infants or adults? Were they created with a sin nature or did they fall? How do you ignore Genesis 3:20?

You tell me. Scripture is silent about it. However, GOD said 'after their own kind'.

 

[robycop3]

At what point chronologically was the prohibition made? If memory serves, many generations after Adam, Cain, and Noah.

There were some things prohibited from the beginning, and, given the strong "taboo" against incest among people who've never hearda God, then incest between parent & child, and between full siblings musta been one of them. This "taboo" is at least as strong among those people as is the one against murder. many of these peoples wouldn't think twice about killing someone not of their people, but wouldn't kill one of their own. And, of course, we know murder was a sin from the gitgo.

 

[robycop3]

(Note: bold my emphasis)


Interesting - than did Abram and Sara commit half-incest?

Well, it wasn't outright incest.

 

[Winman]

Here is an interesting chart showing average male height by country. I was wrong, the tallest people seem to be northern Europeans.


Countries Height (cm) Height (in) Population
Netherlands 181,0 5’11.3″ 16,318,199
Iceland 179,8 5’10.8″ 319,355
Norway 179,7 5’10.7″ 4,737,171
Sweden 179,3 5’10.6″ 8,986,400
Denmark 178,8 5’10.4″ 5,413,392
Finland 178,4 5’10.2″ 5,214,512
Czech Republic 178,3 5’10.2″ 10,246,178
Slovenia 178,1 5’10.1″ 2,007,711
Luxembourg 178,0 5’10.1″ 486,006
Croatia 177,6 5’9.9″ 4,496,869
Germany 177,4 5’9.8″ 82,424,609
Estonia 177,1 5’9.7″ 1,307,605
Austria 177,0 5’9.7″ 8,174,762
Belgium 176,6 5’9.5″ 10,348,276
Serbia 176,5 5’9.5″ 10,159,046
Switzerland 176,5 5’9.5″ 7,450,867
United States 176,4 5’9.4″ 293,027,571
Australia 176,3 5’9.4″ 19,913,144
Poland 176,0 5’9.3″ 38,626,349
Greece 175,7 5’9.2″ 10,647,529
New Zealand 175,5 5’9.1″ 3,993,817
United Kingdom 175,4 5’9.1″ 60,270,708
Hungary 175,3 5’9″ 10,106,017
Ukraine 175,0 5’8.9″ 47,732,079
Ireland 175,0 5’8.9″ 3,969,558
Russia 175,0 5’8.9″ 143,782,338
Israel 175,0 5’8.9″ 7,112,359
Lithuania 175,0 5’8.9″ 3,565,205
Canada 174,3 5’8.6″ 32,507,874
Lebanon 174,2 5’8.6″ 3,777,218
Turkey 174,1 5’8.5″ 68,893,918
France 174,1 5’8.5″ 60,424,213
Uzbekistan 173,4 5’8.3″ 26,410,416
Italy 173,2 5’8.2″ 58,057,477
Senegal 173,0 5’8.1″ 10,852,147
Jamaica 172,8 5’8″ 2,804,332
Mali 172,5 5’7.9″ 12,324,029
Spain 172,0 5’7.7″ 40,280,780
Romania 172,0 5’7.7″ 22,355,551
Azerbaijan 172,0 5’7.7″ 8,177,717
Uruguay 171,8 5’7.6″ 3,399,237
Argentina 171,3 5’7.4″ 39,144,753
South Korea 171,0 5’7.3″ 48,598,175
Syria 171,0 5’7.3″ 18,016,874
Morocco 170,7 5’7.2″ 32,209,101
Iran 170,6 5’7.2″ 67,503,205
Portugal 170,5 5’7.1″ 10,524,145
Côte d’Ivoire 170,4 5’7.1″ 18,373,060
Egypt 170,3 5’7″ 76,117,421
Tunisia 170,3 5’7″ 9,974,722
Algeria 170,2 5’7″ 32,129,324
South Africa 170,0 5’6.9″ 42,718,530
Cameroon 170,0 5’6.9″ 16,063,678
Gambia 170,0 5’6.9″ 1,735,464
Ghana 169,8 5’6.9″ 23,382,848
Brazil 169,5 5’6.7″ 184,101,109
Colombia 169,5 5’6.7″ 42,310,775
Taiwan 169,3 5’6.7″ 22,920,946
Chile 169,2 5’6.6″ 15,823,957
Venezuela 169,0 5’6.5″ 23,542,649
Paraguay 169,0 5’6.5″ 6,191,368
Japan 168,6 5’6.4″ 127,333,002
Hong Kong 168,5 5’6.3″ 7,210,505
China 168,3 5’6.3″ 1,298,847,624
Mexico 167,5 5’5.9″ 104,959,594
Pakistan 167,0 5’5.7″ 159,196,336
Singapore 166,6 5’5.6″ 4,353,893
Thailand 166,4 5’5.5″ 64,865,523
Mongolia 166,4 5’5.5″ 2,751,314
Malaysia 166,0 5’5.4″ 23,522,482
Sri Lanka 166,0 5’5.4″ 20,064,776
Malawi 166,0 5’5.4″ 13,931,831
Bahrain 165,6 5’5.2″ 718,306
Iraq 165,4 5’5.1″ 25,374,691
Nigeria 165,0 5’5″ 138,283,240
Peru 164,3 5’4.7″ 27,544,305
North Korea 163,8 5’4.5″ 22,697,553
India 162,3 5’3.9″ 1,065,070,607
Vietnam 162,1 5’3.8″ 82,689,518
Philippines 162,0 5’3.8″ 86,241,697
Indonesia 161,5 5’3.6″ 238,452,952
Cambodia 160,3 5’3.1″ 13,363,421

 

[robycop3]

Cain got his wife from his sister- it's as simple as that.

No, he DIDN'T.

Incest is not the greatest taboo in the world- that statement is bogus.

Then, what IS?

God did not condemn incest before Moses so there is absolutely no reason to think that Cain would have thought it wrong to marry his sister.

Yes, He DID. While "You shall not murder" wasn't written that we know of before God gave Moses the Decalogue, but we see Moses condemned by the Egyptians for killing an Egyptian, as well as the case oc Cain.

Cain did not care much about the law of God at some point in his life since he WAS A MURDERER.

But GOD did.

Even if it was taboo in Cain's day (which there is no reason to think it was) Cain might not have cared what was and wasn't taboo.

But Adam, Eve, and the his sister he mighta eyeballed highta cared...as well as GOD.

No two people ever shared closer genes than Adam and Eve (Eve was LITERALLY taken out of Adam's body) and God COMMANDED them to mate. So the idea that God condemned sibling intermarrying in Cain's day continues to crumble.

No, it DOESN'T. God CREATED Eve-she was no human's child or sister.

You are way too dogmatic against pre-Mosaic law incest without sufficient support for such dogmatism.

I think there's PLENTY of support. Remember,GOD DOES NOT CHANGE. Remember, the clear cases of incest before Moses resulted in CURSES. The descendants of Moab and Ammon, the products of Lot's daughters' incestuous flings with daddy did NOT survive as peoples.

And I could go on and on.

And could be wrong.

Scripture does NOT tell us where Cain got a wife, but it DOES tell us GOD HATES INCEST.

 

[Baptist4life]

There were some things prohibited from the beginning, and, given the strong "taboo" against incest among people who've never hearda God, then incest between parent & child, and between full siblings musta been one of them. This "taboo" is at least as strong among those people as is the one against murder. many of these peoples wouldn't think twice about killing someone not of their people, but wouldn't kill one of their own. And, of course, we know murder was a sin from the gitgo.

So, in essence, you believe God created a separate race of people? You ignore plain Scripture in Genesis 3:20?


P.S. to everyone else. I told you Roby was "out there" in his belief!

 

[robycop3]

But had God made a commandment against murder before Cain killed his brother?

Evidently He HAD, as Cain acted guilty when God asked him where Abel was. (Genesis4)

The first reference of a murderer in the Bible was more than 2000 years after creation and is found Numbers 35:16.

The KJV says of Moses " he slew the Egyptian," not murdered. ( and for non-KJO folks :smilewinkgrin: several other versions do not use the term murder!)
This link gives the versions and a Matthew Henry commentary

While Moses was defending a helpless Israeli from the Egyptian's beating, the Egyptians considered the slaying a MURDER. So, there WERE laws against murder, both God's and man's.

 

[robycop3]

Doesn't anyone find the belief that some have, that God created the races separately, pretty amazing? I mean, that would undermine the first few chapters of Genesis! And raise all kinds of questions, some of which I 've brought up in my other posts.

OK, YOU tell us how he made them.

 

[Baptist4life]

Some relative articles for roby:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/who-was-cains-wife




http://www.gotquestions.org/Cains-wife.html

Cain's wife

Question: "Who was Cain's wife? Was Cain's wife his sister?"

Answer: The Bible does not specifically say who Cain’s wife was. The only possible answer is that Cain's wife was his sister or niece or great-niece, etc. The Bible does not say how old Cain was when he killed Abel (Genesis 4:8). Since they were both farmers, they were likely both full-grown adults, possibly with families of their own. Adam and Eve surely had given birth to more children than just Cain and Abel at the time Abel was killed. They definitely had many more children later (Genesis 5:4). The fact that Cain was scared for his own life after he killed Abel (Genesis 4:14) indicates that there were likely many other children and perhaps even grandchildren of Adam and Eve already living at that time. Cain's wife (Genesis 4:17) was a daughter or granddaughter of Adam and Eve.

Since Adam and Eve were the first (and only) human beings, their children would have no other choice than to intermarry. God did not forbid inter-family marriage until much later when there were enough people to make intermarriage unnecessary (Leviticus 18:6-18). The reason that incest today often results in genetic abnormalities is that when two people of similar genetics (i.e., a brother and sister) have children together, there is a high risk of their recessive characteristics becoming dominant. When people from different families have children, it is highly unlikely that both parents will carry the same recessive traits. The human genetic code has become increasingly “polluted” over the centuries as genetic defects are multiplied, amplified, and passed down from generation to generation. Adam and Eve did not have any genetic defects, and that enabled them and the first few generations of their descendants to have a far greater quality of health than we do now. Adam and Eve’s children had few, if any, genetic defects. As a result, it was safe for them to intermarry.



http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow...does-this-contradict-the-creation-story/Where Did Cain’s Wife Come From?

Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve’s first two children but they had many, many more children. Since at the time life spans covered multiple centuries, this meant that Adam and Eve had many children and these children grew and spread out and had many children of their own. There is every indication that by the time Cain was able to take a wife, there must have been dozens, perhaps even a hundred or more of people living on the earth. Besides, “God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground” (Gen 1:28). Too key verses are mentioned: “Be fruitful and increase in number” and also they were to “fill the earth.” Since there was limited space and resources where Adam and Eve lived and the fact that they had many children, they must have spread.

After Cain murdered his brother Abel, God sent him away and he ended up living east of Eden (Gen 4:16). This is where Cain met and married his wife and they bore a child named Enoch (Gen 4:17). At this same location, Cain built a city and we can assume that if he built an entire city, there must have been many other people living there already or at least nearby. Therefore, by the time Cain was an adult and was sent away by God, Adam and Eve must have had many other children and by simple addition and then multiplication, there could have been at least hundreds of descendants already having been spread out and multiplied around the areas of Eden. There is no doubt that Cain married a relative of his parents Adam and Eve but since Adam and Eve were blessed by God and they were fruitful and multiplied and their descendants spread out over the earth, there was no difficulty in Cain finding a wife at all. With life spans of over 900 years for the first human beings, this easily gave adequate time for multiple children and these dozens of generations of the children of Adam and Eve to have their children’s children who had children and so on. These children had children who became Adam and Eve’s grand children, great grandchildren, and on and on.


Simple answers, but roby will reject them all.

 

[robycop3]

I've read all that stuff, B4L. Truth is, even if Cain had married a niece, the same prob had arisen for ALL of A&E's children. They HAD to hace spouses from somewhere besides each other!

So, you're backta Square One...and I'm still open to an explanation that DOESN'T INVOLVE INCEST.

Either GOD CHANGES, or He has NEVER condoned incest between full siblings! And I BELIEVE GOD when He sez He is UNCHANGING.

 

[Winman]

It is obvious that men often married members of their own family in ancient days, the scriptures say so;

Exo 6:20 And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years.

This fellow Amram married his aunt, his father's sister, and this is where both Aaron and Moses came from.

 

[robycop3]

Well, I am not expert on genetics or any of this stuff, but if black people bred with black people, in time it would seem reasonable that certain traits might become dominant, the same with white people, yellow, whatever...

Language would also tend to reduce the gene pool. Generally speaking, you notice that some nations are a little shorter, such as the French or Scots. I have noticed that many people from eastern Europe such as Poland tend to be very tall. People from Columbia, Peru, or Ecuador tend to be very short. This is from interbreeding over long centuries with people of like language.

Today everyone is coming back together into one pool, there is much interracial marriage and everything is sifting out (for lack of a better word).

I believe that average size is often affected by climate and food supply over time. For example, the first horses were the size of a Collie, and had all three toes reaching the ground. Food for them was more-scarce than it was later on.

The Japanese have never had an over-abundance of food; hence they tend , on an average, to be smaller than we Americans. And we've outpaced most of our British brethren as well.

Of course there are exceptions. The Japanese WW2 Admiral Ozawa was SIX FEET, SEVEN INCHES TALL! A And we've all seen 400-LB Sumo wrestlers.

But OTOH, the tall, powerful Eastern Europeans haven't been exactly swimming in food for a good while. But we don't know what they mighta had in ancient times.

Of large, modern nations, it seems BRAZIL is the most-interracial one around. (Correct me if I'm wrong!)

 

[robycop3]

It is obvious that men often married members of their own family in ancient days, the scriptures say so;

Exo 6:20 And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years.

This fellow Amram married his aunt, his father's sister, and this is where both Aaron and Moses came from.

I don't doubt that for one nanosecond. Other examples are Isaac and Jacob. But NONE wed his FULL SIBLING!