Who Did Cain Marry?

[Baptist4life]

So, quit beating around the bush, roby! Just come out and say it! You believe God created OTHER PEOPLE besides Adam and Eve! Which is completely un-Biblical . You get the first few chapters of Genesis wrong, you got it all wrong, IMHO.

 

[Baptist4life]

Now, any thing we say about the origin of Cain's wife is guesswork since Scripture and secular history are both silent about it

No, roby, Scripture is NOT silent about it! God PLAINLY states in Scripture:

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

 

[just-want-peace]

OF COURSE I do. If Seth had wed someone from another family, Eve would still be his mom, and the grandma of his children, great-grandma of their children, etc. etc.

OK!!!

So where did this " other family" that Seth married into come from--???

 

[InTheLight]

Originally Posted by InTheLight
Might as well ask--who was Abel's wife? If Abel was not married and didn't have children who was Cain a fugitive from, who did he fear would kill him? (Gen. 4:14)

We really don't know, do we?

Who else but Abel's immediate relatives would want to kill Cain?

 

[quantumfaith]

Don't waste your time with quantum in this discussion. He, too, rejects Genesis, and though will assert he believes Adam and Eve were the first humans, believes they had parents who had evolved.

I'll just let the absolute absurdity of that scenario sink in a little

Thank You Aaron, I appreciate immensely that you will not waste your time with me.

 

[quantumfaith]

We really don't know, do we?

This is perhaps the most poignant and intellectually honest statement in this post thus far.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[robycop3]

Regardless of how you try to avoid directly saying that God created other humans along side Adam and Eve, that is exactly what you are saying. Someone other than Adam or Eve had to produce, at a minimum, a half-sister for Cain in order to avoid your premise about incest.

I am saying that A&E's children didn't cohabit with each other. Just WHOM they mighta cohabited with isn't known. Your guess is with each other, but YOUR guess has no more bearing than anyone else's.

Have you ever studied genetics? (I am NOT talking about the theory of evolution!) It seems that you have mixed hybrids and mutations in trying to make your points. Have you ever studied mitochondrial DNA? Dominate & recessive genes? Heredity diseases predominate in ethnic groups?

Yes, in corpsman A-school over 40 years ago. Lots more has been discovered since then. But like produces like; thus says the LORD.

From the Biblical standpoint, have you taken into consideration, that after the dispersion of people due to language barriers, genetic changes, whether inherited tendency for certain diseases or skin color, came about in more isolated (separated) populations? The gene for red hair is recessive. Yet, there is one population group that has a higher incidence of red hair.

I don't agree with much of it. For example, most black people originally came from lands near the equator, with much more sun than northern or southern latitudes. Now, one would believe that people who'd lived in those lands for many generations woulda developed light, thick skin to reflect infrared rays and resist UV rays, insteada dark skin that absorbs both.

Next, God doesn't change. Yet, His directions (instructions) for human behaviour have changed.

But not His basic laws.

1st example: After the flood, He gave permission for people to eat meat.

I believe they ALWAYS had that permission. Abel was a shepherd, and made animal sacrifices.

2nd example: He lifted dietary restrictions previously in place. ie It isn't what a man puts into his mouth, it's what comes from his mouth that defiles him.

Dietary restrictions were there largely for health reasons. For example, trichinosis was prevalent in swine, and the israelis were not known for overcooking their food.

3rd example: When the temple veil was torn, individuals no longer had someone standing between themselves and Him.

Actually, they then had JESUS filling that role.

In closing, either God created only one man and woman (Adam & Eve) or He created enough men and/or women to ensure that incest wouldn't happen. There is no middle ground.

While Scripture is silent about that, it's NOT silent about INCEST. Bottom Line!

I believe the Scriptures. God created Adam and Eve. He told them to multiply. When appropriate the time came, in His viewpoint, He changed His instructions for human behaviour. Just as He did when He, Himself, made the final blood sacrifice.

But He did NOT change His BASIC LAWS. Lamech apparently slew another man in self-defense, and we don't see GOD charging him with murder.(This was NOT the Lamech who was Noah's father.)

Skin color is a result of mutations in DNA, after the fall, when human bodies became subject to physical death. Whether it's skin color, hair color, sickle cell anemia, hemophilia, dwarfism, and/or other heredity traits. The premise is the same as the cultural distinctions that came about after the separation of mankind. For example, those in Asia, separated from those in western Europe, developed both physical and cultural differences.

Mutations do not tend to produce likenesses of themselves, but produce likenesses of their parents. For example, the famed midgets General Tom Thumb (Charles Stratton,, 3'4", 71 LB) and Lavinia Warren, his wife(3'2") had average-size siblings. They practiced the birth control available at the time, as doctors warned that they'd have normal-size children, and Mrs. Stratton would most-likely not survive a pregnancy. (Her sister Minnie, also a small person barely 3' tall, wed another midget, and died of complications of childbirth, having a normal-size 6-LB baby who also died.)

Stratton died in 1883, age 46 of a stroke; Lavinia lived into 1919, died age 78.

Many extermely-tall former NBA players have average-height children.

I was in high school with four siblings, one boy, three girls, who were all tallet than I. (I'm 6'2") I was taller than their parents; I am taller than all their children I know of.

And the list goes on.

 

[Baptist4life]

This is perhaps the most poignant and intellectually honest statement in this post thus far.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

^^^ That was a joke, right?

 

[preacher4truth]

All I know is that Abel was a Calvinist. He had his soteriology squared away.

:thumbs:

 

[Baptist4life]

The ONLY alternative to Cain not marrying a sister, or even a distant relative would be what roby is insinuating. That God created OTHER PEOPLE besides Adam and Eve, which would totally undermine the Gospel, IMHO.

His posts about the different races also insinuates that God created the races apart from one another! All while ignoring clear Scripture in Genesis 3:20! And this is a man who demeans and harasses KJVO people for not having Scripture for their beliefs! :BangHead:

 

[Alcott]

Who Did Cain Marry?

Not Abel, in spite of what left-wingers might think.

 

[quantumfaith]

^^^ That was a joke, right?

Actually, not entirely

 

[Arbo]

There were some things prohibited from the beginning, and, given the strong "taboo" against incest among people who've never hearda God, then incest between parent & child, and between full siblings musta been one of them.

So there's no actual prohibition in place at the time. Just a supposition.

Do we even know if it was a common taboo in other ancient pagan societies?

This "taboo" is at least as strong among those people as is the one against murder. many of these peoples wouldn't think twice about killing someone not of their people, but wouldn't kill one of their own. And, of course, we know murder was a sin from the gitgo.

Oh really? You paint a sunny picture of human nature.

 

[Van]

Have you been to a funeral lately? The wages of sin is death. We are separated from God physically and spiritually. Jesus is the only remedy.

We are quickened, made alive in Jesus, sealed with the Holy Spirit, and given the promise of an incorrupt body on the other side of the grave--with Jesus forever.

Amazing Grace.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

Yes, I am of the age, and being part of a group of seniors, I have the honor of attending the funerals of men and women of faith.

The wages of sin is death, both the spiritual separation from God, and the second death in the lake of fire.

Born anew believers are not separated from God spiritually, they are together with Christ. Those condemned because of unbelief are separated from God from conception.

Yes Jesus is the only remedy.

Yes we are made alive in Christ, everyone not in Christ is dead spiritually. Thus when set apart in Christ, the sanctifying work of the Spirit, they go from being dead to being made alive together with Christ Ephesians 2:5.

Some assert that this death at conception is passed physically, in the genes, but a careful reading of the fall teaches the corruption, and hence separation (death) is passed spiritually, i.e. Eve's eyes were opened, yet she was not born physically subsequent to the fall. Minor point but there is no reason to pass along bogus views.

 

[Baptist4life]

Please stay on topic.

 

[InTheLight]

The ONLY alternative to Cain not marrying a sister, or even a distant relative would be what roby is insinuating. That God created OTHER PEOPLE besides Adam and Eve,

No, that's not the only alternative. Some theistic evolutionists think that man evolved from hominids until a time where God intervened and breathed a living soul into Adam. Thus, Adam became the first man, and because he had a soul, i.e. three components to his being, he was in the image of God. This theory stipulates that Cain was kicked out of the Garden and went and found a hominid female which he mated with.

Robycop3 hasn't stated his position on where Cain's wife came from. Don't put words into his mouth.

 

[robycop3]

In The Light:

Robycop3 hasn't stated his position on where Cain's wife came from. Don't put words into his mouth.

And I don't intend to, except to say it wasn't his sister. That's based upon SCRIPTURE...which is silent about who she was, but NOT silent about INCEST.

 

[robycop3]

So there's no actual prohibition in place at the time. Just a supposition.

We don't know for sure. However, it's very likely, as there was one against murder. The first people apparently didn't write(To WHOM would they write?) but they had directives from GOD besides the "forbidden fruit", which became inaccessible after E&A ate of it.

Do we even know if it was a common taboo in other ancient pagan societies?

Almost certainly so, as there's little mention of it in secular history.

Oh really? You paint a sunny picture of human nature.

"Just the FACTS."

-Sgt. Friday, Dragnet

 

[robycop3]

So, quit beating around the bush, roby! Just come out and say it! You believe God created OTHER PEOPLE besides Adam and Eve! Which is completely un-Biblical . You get the first few chapters of Genesis wrong, you got it all wrong, IMHO.

MMRRPP! WRONG!

I said it was a POSSIBILITY. You CANNOT prove that it's NOT.

 

[robycop3]

No, roby, Scripture is NOT silent about it! God PLAINLY states in Scripture:

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.

MMRRPP! WRONG!

(application of Scripture, that is.)

Eve was still the grandMOTHER of her grandchildren, no matter who they married. And she was still the great-grandMOTHER of her childrens' childrens' children, no matter who they married.

The Scripture is right; your 'take' of it is off.

None of them wed their sister or brother.