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Why would I need to do that? You seem not to realize that I already know Greek. I'm not reading books to try and learn it. Also, you seem not to understand that in my pointing out your calling the Greek subjunctive "conditional," I have already proven you wrong.

Seriously, you need to learn the difference between "Cannot" and "Will not."

The Archangel

 

First you need to use the quote feature properly so that you are not putting words into my mouth. Second, you should not assume things you cannot possibly know or prove. I choose not to completely dismantle your so-called argument because I simply have better things to do than explain biblical theology, context, Greek, etc. to you because you've demonstrated you have no intention or inclination to listen or learn.

The Archangel

 

Indeed - lots of time for vitriol -- and not much for actually looking at the texts that refute their calvinism

 

I read this thread and can't find anyone answering the question poses in the thread title. Who did Jesus say he came to save? I see only a lot of nit-picking on the interpretation of the tense of the Greek verbs.

 

Jesus said he laid down His life for THE SHEEP.Jn10

 

Proverbs 7:7
And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

 

Proverbs 7:7
And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

 

Proverbs 7:7
And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

 

Proverbs 7:7
And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,

 

-- Calvinists don't understand the Bible definition of Atonement as defined by God in the Lev 16 "Day of Atonement" where BOTH the work of Christ as the "Lord's Goat" - the LAMB of God -- and ALSO the work of Christ as High Priest (The MAIN POINT according to Hebrews 8:1) is required to satisfy the Bible's broad-scope meaning for Atonement.

1 John 2:2 "He is the Atoning Sacrifice for OUR sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" NIV

Thus "the Atoning Sacrifice" completed at the cross - but the full Leviticus 16 scope for the "Term" that we call "Atonement" must include BOTH the work of Christ as sin offering (Atoning sacrifice) AND the work of Christ as High Priest.

This not-so-subtle detail gets totally lost in all the story-telling of Calvinism.

And it is the irrefutable solution for the Arminian position on the subject of atonement.

Calvinism only survives the key Bible detail .. by ignoring it whenever it comes up.

No end to the ad hominem you can get from some Calvinists - as soon as they see scripture that refutes their preference

 

No end to the ad hominem you can get from some Calvinists - as soon as they see scripture that refutes their preference

 

There is a great deal of ad hominem, misdirection, smoke-and-mirrors when some Calvinists post - but I would still argue that the texts listed above apply to the OP

 

No argument there. Is the question who are His sheep? Calvinist issue? Status of the Jews?

 

The sheep are all the Father gave to Him.jn6:37, Hebrews2:11-16

45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

 

He would be better off just exiting the thread, but like a moth to the flame, he cannot help himself. Thank you for exposing his ignorance of koine grammar.



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