Who Has A Mental Illness???

[HAMel]

Do "some" of you folks realize that souls are being saved in Churches for which we don't agree with? That hold different doctrines and beliefs?

Yeah..., amazing, huh? Yes, our Lord can work where ever He wants to without any assistance from us! That's just mind boggling, isn't it? God Does Not Need Our Assistance! He gets along just fine!
(Upsetting? Just take a couple of aspirin and rest a bit. It will pass)

There are people coming to know the Lord in churches who really don't believe as we do..., and in all reality, isn't that what it's all about?

Anyone who believes otherwise appears to me to have the mental illness.

We know a woman in her early 50's. She has a learning disability and while she functions just fine in our world today she lacks the ability to reason and grasp things the majority of us consider second nature.

I really don't think any of us have the right to question anything the Lord does, or allows, or deals with in His Sovereign Way!!!

Does our friend suffer from sin? A mental illness because of? Well, that's between her and the Lord and the rest of us should not be judging.

 

[freeatlast]

Do "some" of you folks realize that souls are being saved in Churches for which we don't agree with? That hold different doctrines and beliefs?

Yeah..., amazing, huh? Yes, our Lord can work where ever He wants to without any assistance from us! That's just mind boggling, isn't it? God Does Not Need Our Assistance! He gets along just fine!
(Upsetting? Just take a couple of aspirin and rest a bit. It will pass)

There are people coming to know the Lord in churches who really don't believe as we do..., and in all reality, isn't that what it's all about?

Anyone who believes otherwise appears to me to have the mental illness.

We know a woman in her early 50's. She has a learning disability and while she functions just fine in our world today she lacks the ability to reason and grasp things the majority of us consider second nature.

I really don't think any of us have the right to question anything the Lord does, or allows, or deals with in His Sovereign Way!!!

Does our friend suffer from sin? A mental illness because of? Well, that's between her and the Lord and the rest of us should not be judging.

There is only one road and it is straight and narrow. One gospel and one salvation. No one ever gets saved by different beliefs in regards to salvation. The problems that they have acquired in this life after salvation are also healed by only one way and that is confession and forsaking.

 

[HAMel]

There is only one road and it is straight and narrow. One gospel and one salvation. No one ever gets saved by different beliefs in regards to salvation. The problems that they have acquired in this life after salvation are also healed by only one way and that is confession and forsaking.

Didn't you hear? There was a man just the other night what came to Lord and was saved..., and this was in a Holiness Church. Imaging that.

He will probably get burdened down with the gibberish stuff but he still asked the Lord to save him.

Amazing, huh?

 

[freeatlast]

There is only one road and it is straight and narrow. One gospel and one salvation. No one ever gets saved by different beliefs in regards to salvation. The problems that they have acquired in this life after salvation are also healed by only one way and that is confession and forsaking.

Didn't you hear? There was a man just the other night what came to Lord and was saved..., and this was in a Holiness Church. Imaging that.

He will probably get burdened down with the gibberish stuff but he still asked the Lord to save him.

Amazing, huh?

That may be but he came for salvation just like a Baptist.

 

[12strings]

Jesus was not a baptist!

Neither was Peter, paul, & mary!

 

[DHK]

A secular expert in this area stated that every person, to some degree or another, has some mental illness.
Even if we assume that "all" mental illness could be solved by the Word of God, that would only deal with the elect. Fal and Fred can't win the world to Christ. How can they avail the "perfect peace of Christ" to the non-elect? Or do they even bother counseling any of the unsaved that come to them with their problems?

 

[freeatlast]

Jesus was not a baptist!

Neither was Peter, paul, & mary!

Peter, Paul, and Mary were a group of singers. :laugh: And Jesus did not need saved.

 

[freeatlast]

A secular expert in this area stated that every person, to some degree or another, has some mental illness.
Even if we assume that "all" mental illness could be solved by the Word of God, that would only deal with the elect. Fal and Fred can't win the world to Christ. How can they avail the "perfect peace of Christ" to the non-elect? Or do they even bother counseling any of the unsaved that come to them with their problems?

I am not sure what constitutes a secular expert, but I know what THEE Expert teaches. Everything I have stated up to this point was in dealing with a saved person. For those who are lost the answer is repentance towards God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Any problem they have with sin after salvation would be dealt with as a believer, confess and forsake.

 

[Crabtownboy]

To answer the question in the OP: everyone, absolutely everyone has some type of mental illness. Everyone, absolutely everyone has some type of phoebia, neurosis, etc.

 

[freeatlast]

To answer the question in the OP: everyone, absolutely everyone has some type of mental illness. Everyone, absolutely everyone has some type of phoebia, neurosis, etc.

So should we all take drugs? Or does scripture offer some other form to deal wiht these mental illness' we all have according to you?

 

[Crabtownboy]

So should we all take drugs? Or does scripture offer some other form to deal wiht these mental illness' we all have according to you?

That was not the question in the OP.

But no, not everyone takes drugs. There are some who take drugs because of chemical imbalances and the drug helps restore the imbalance.

You know if you have an acid upset stomach you can take a drug to balance the chemicals in the stomach and relieve the pain.

Would you consider taking drugs for an upset stomach wrong. Is an upset stomach a result of sin?

 

[OldRegular]

That was not the question in the OP.

But no, not everyone takes drugs. There are some who take drugs because of chemical imbalances and the drug helps restore the imbalance.

You know if you have an acid upset stomach you can take a drug to balance the chemicals in the stomach and relieve the pain.

Would you consider taking drugs for an upset stomach wrong. Is an upset stomach a result of sin?

Very well said and very appropriate Crabtownboy.:thumbsup::thumbsup::applause:

 

[freeatlast]

That was not the question in the OP.

But no, not everyone takes drugs. There are some who take drugs because of chemical imbalances and the drug helps restore the imbalance.

You know if you have an acid upset stomach you can take a drug to balance the chemicals in the stomach and relieve the pain.

Would you consider taking drugs for an upset stomach wrong. Is an upset stomach a result of sin?

No they take drugs because they do not want to deal with the problem, their sin.

 

[DiamondLady]

Peter, Paul, and Mary were a group of singers. :laugh: And Jesus did not need saved.

Peter the disciple...Paul the apostle and Mary Magdelene were a singing group???

FAL....have you ever come down from your perch on high to stop and consider the idea that some folks need medication to be able to figure out their sin so they can repent?

Medication, in and of itself, is not always a negative. I noticed on another thread that SFF mentioned doctors who prescribe meds to pay for a new car. I've actually seen a doctor, personally, who did such a thing....not to pay for a car but his big new boat, which he displayed pictures of in his office. The pills he prescribed had nothing to do with altering the mind, they were bottles of vitamins and supplements, human growth hormones, etc. His problem was not in aiding his patients but in lining his pockets.

The bottom line is educating ones self to aid in your own medical treatments; or a family member if it's a child or someone incapable of helping themselves. I agree that a pill will not always fix your problem, but I realize there are times that a pill will enable you to clearly see the problem so it can be fixed.

 

[freeatlast]

Peter the disciple...Paul the apostle and Mary Magdelene were a singing group???

FAL....have you ever come down from your perch on high to stop and consider the idea that some folks need medication to be able to figure out their sin so they can repent?

Medication, in and of itself, is not always a negative. I noticed on another thread that SFF mentioned doctors who prescribe meds to pay for a new car. I've actually seen a doctor, personally, who did such a thing....not to pay for a car but his big new boat, which he displayed pictures of in his office. The pills he prescribed had nothing to do with altering the mind, they were bottles of vitamins and supplements, human growth hormones, etc. His problem was not in aiding his patients but in lining his pockets.

The bottom line is educating ones self to aid in your own medical treatments; or a family member if it's a child or someone incapable of helping themselves. I agree that a pill will not always fix your problem, but I realize there are times that a pill will enable you to clearly see the problem so it can be fixed.

If what you are suggesting is true then the logical conclusion is that for almost 6000 year, until about the mid 1900's God failed man in the area of providing help for sin because there was no real Phyco drugs available.

So no I have not considered such as it goes against the scripture when it tells us we are responsible for our sins and the only way to deal with them is confession and forsaking them. Drugs do not help the person see the problem. Drugs mask the problem. I assume you have been reading the posts on this and it is clear that those who take the drugs are not seeing the problem, but covering the real issue and that is to deal with their sin instead of excusing it as an illness.
Have you watched the videos?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XohpN2iZTUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJ1BaMk

 

[agedman]

If what you are suggesting is true then the logical conclusion is that for almost 6000 year, until about the mid 1900's God failed man in the area of providing help for sin because there was no real Phyco drugs available.

So no I have not considered such as it goes against the scripture when it tells us we are responsible for our sins and the only way to deal with them is confession and forsaking them. Drugs do not help the person see the problem. Drugs mask the problem. I assume you have been reading the posts on this and it is clear that those who take the drugs are not seeing the problem, but covering the real issue and that is to deal with their sin instead of excusing it as an illness.

Ah,

I was wondering when the argument of "history" would come to the posts.

For 6000 years epilepsy had an unknown cause - now it can be controlled.

The flue was basically untreatable and one of the last epidemics in the early 1900's killed millions - now there are vaccines.

Measles nearly wiped out the indigenous peoples of the pacific islands and the American continents - now there is a vaccine.

Polio, diphtheria, typhus, small pox, ... all have reached epidemic states in the last 6000 years - now there is a vaccine.

Just because 6000 years has passed, doesn't mean that God does not provide wisdom, understanding, and healing in the future.

To attempt to build a Scriptural argument upon such is merely rationalization and lacks Divine support.

Your claim "Drugs do not help the person see the problem" is without support either by Scripture nor by human experience. Not once in Scripture does it state, "Drugs do not help the person see the problem."

Your claim, "...it is clear that those who take the drugs are not seeing the problem, but covering the real issue and that is to deal with their sin instead of excusing it as an illness." is also not proven. One reading through the great number of threads will find that no one has stated that as their motive for taking drugs. For you to assume that as a motive is applying evil intent that is not warranted.

 

[freeatlast]

Ah,

I was wondering when the argument of "history" would come to the posts.

For 6000 years epilepsy had an unknown cause - now it can be controlled.

The flue was basically untreatable and one of the last epidemics in the early 1900's killed millions - now there are vaccines.

Measles nearly wiped out the indigenous peoples of the pacific islands and the American continents - now there is a vaccine.

Polio, diphtheria, typhus, small pox, ... all have reached epidemic states in the last 6000 years - now there is a vaccine.

Just because 6000 years has passed, doesn't mean that God does not provide wisdom, understanding, and healing in the future.

To attempt to build a Scriptural argument upon such is merely rationalization and lacks Divine support.

Your claim "Drugs do not help the person see the problem" is without support either by Scripture nor by human experience. Not once in Scripture does it state, "Drugs do not help the person see the problem."

Your claim, "...it is clear that those who take the drugs are not seeing the problem, but covering the real issue and that is to deal with their sin instead of excusing it as an illness." is also not proven. One reading through the great number of threads will find that no one has stated that as their motive for taking drugs. For you to assume that as a motive is applying evil intent that is not warranted.

None of those have sin related issues. God allowed drugs for physical issues, but for sin He calls for confession and forsaking, not drugs to mask and cover the sin.
Watch the videos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XohpN2iZTUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJ1BaMk

 

[DHK]

An example of medicine ca. 700 B.C.

2 Kings 20:6-7 And I will add unto thy days fifteen years; and I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake. And Isaiah said, Take a lump of figs. And they took and laid it on the boil, and he recovered.
Isaiah 38:21 For Isaiah had said, Let them take a lump of figs, and lay it for a plaister upon the boil, and he shall recover.

The natural remedy for pulling the poison out of a boil was to make a paste made out of figs and applying it to the boil. The paste of figs acts as poultice, absorbing the poison out of the affected area. Such remedies are still used today.

 

[freeatlast]

Yes and God permitted drugs and medication for physical problems as He does today, but to deal with sin He always calls for confession and forsaking.
Drugs mask sin and keep the person from dealing with the real issue, the heart. People use the excuse of an illness for bad (sinfull) behavior when the only illness they have is a sin sick heart. Confession and forsaking is the only way to overcome the sin.
Watch the videos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XohpN2iZTUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJ1BaMk

 

[agedman]

None of those have sin related issues. God allowed drugs for physical issues, but for sin He calls for confession and forsaking, not drugs to mask and cover the sin.
Watch the videos;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XohpN2iZTUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcuhhJ1BaMk

The point of the post was the "history" shows many occasions in which epidemics and plagues were pronounced as judgment by God upon humankind - for it was found in the Scriptures.

Not that such judgment does not take place, nor that sin is not rebuked by God, but the post was to point out that God does "provide a way of escape" and that it may take millennium for humankind to discover and even understand.

Taking that as factual (which it certainly is) and acknowledging that the exploration and treatment of all manner of disease using modern technologically assisted medicinal aids are all in fact in their infancy (which they certainly are) then it follows that as treatments and aids are discovered, there may one day be some development gifted by God that you currently proclaim as evil.

Taking that as factual, it further shows that even when it comes to the brain, the mind, the emotions,... that the faltering and beginning steps of exploration and resolution will in the future bear much good and Godly help.

Home remedies and snake oil sold out of the wagons of peddlers have been around for centuries - and still are.

Even if one were biased against the wagons of snake oil peddlers, it still does not mean that all drugs are used for evil intent.