Who is He? A Trinity? A Oneness?

[Singer]

Lets don't say , MEE. It's just that we don't understand and may never
understand.

In my 8th grade Algebra class, George said to the teacher. "I just don't understand
it" to which the teacher responded....."It isn't something to understand, George, it's
just something to do". That might apply here.

There is a multitude of info on the web and in christian sites on the trinity. You
may have no lack of that, but here's another for your reference. Let's read this
together (I haven't read it to completion) and comment.

Rest assured it is not an issue that we have to become unconfused on to gain
salvation.

 

[Singer]

Here's the link:

http://www.biblehelp.org/jesusgod.htm

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by Singer:
Lets don't say , MEE. It's just that we don't understand and may never
understand.

Rest assured it is not an issue that we have to become unconfused on to gain
salvation.

Singer, thanks for your response and the link!

But,....you may not think this is an issue and you have never said anything 'ugly' concerning the subject of a Trinity. There are some that have referred to me as a "heretic" because I believe in one God but not three persons that make up one god.

Would you or any other Trinitarian agree with the link below? If so, I'm still confused or just don't understand.

http://www.biblehelp.org/limited.htm

MEE

 

[Singer]

MEE,
That was a Pro Trinity article of course and the parallels it proposed are
interesting. As said, Jesus wasn't unable to save himself, it was part of the plan.

Granted, it is a mystery and the group I grew up in does not address the
word Trinity. I was saved for many years before I ever pondered it deeply
myself. Internet chatter exposed to me the need to recognize Jesus as God.
God was referred to in the OT as Lord, our saviour. We also know that Jesus
is our Lord and Saviour. That's hard to dismiss when all scriptures are compared.

Fall back on what is important in four or five simple steps to salvation. In doing
so, you'll find it does not include understanding the Trinity. I would like to
understand it too, but it' like trying to understand where heaven is or what we
will be doing in heaven. It is not to be.

I do not agree with those who claim it is utmost important to recognize Jesus
as God. All facts seem to point that way to me, but yet our favorite verse,
John 3:16 says "And God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

That is the basis of finding God and eternal life in itself and does not mention
a need to sort it out in your mind. It's a baffling concern and one that you can
see is ongoing within the great minds of the internet. I'm sure there will be
no final analysis of it either on this forum or any other.

Much in the same way, denominational segregation is my biggest irk.
Why couldn't God have provided a more black and white answer to things?
I guess that fact just brings us back to the need for faith and faith alone,
because study and debate and knowledge is not going to obtain the resolve
to our concerns.

Without faith it is impossible to please God. Just be thankful you've been
given the issue of faith in a large degree. Faith in what? ...you may ask.
Faith that Jesus rose from the dead (whoever he is) and faith that your
belief in Him will result in eternal life.

That is also the answer to my dilemma on church separations......and the result
is that I do not need to understand it. Understand it wouldn't bring me peace
and joy and salvation anyhow. Only faith does that....which is answered by
God's grace that gives us the peace that passeth understanding. His yoke is easy
and his burden is light.

Aha........LOVE to preach .....wont you join me

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Singer:


I do not agree with those who claim it is utmost important to recognize Jesus
as God. All facts seem to point that way to me, but yet our favorite verse,
John 3:16 says "And God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Then who is Jesus Christ?
If he is just a son, and not God:
1. He has no power to save--only God can save.
2. He has no power to forgive--only God can forgive.
3. He has no power to create--only God can create.
4. He has no right to accept worship--God alone is to be worshipped.
5. He has no power over death (the resurrection)--only God has power over death.

Who is Jesus Christ?
If he is only a son:
1. Then he is just a man,
2. Or perhaps simply a prophet?
3. At best a good man.

Who is Jesus Christ?
If you trust Him to be your Saviour as the only begotten Son of God, who took away the sins of the world, then of necessity, that person whom we call the Son of God, is indeed God Himself. Only God can save. Only God can forgive. Only God can atone for our sins. He alone can pay the penalty that we justly deserve. No other person could do what God did for us. No other person could ever fit "that bill," so to speak. If Christ were not God, then he would merely be a created being no different than you or I, and unable to pay for anyone's sin.
DHK

 

[Singer]

DK:

When I accepted Christ, I was impressed with the fact that God would
love us so much as to send his only begotten Son to die in my stead.

John 3:16 is a favorite of all who witness and it is instrumental in using to
point others to salvation.

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son...........etc"

If I've come to a realization that Jesus is God, it was done after the fact.....
after I was saved....after I accepted Christ not knowing that he is God.

"If you have seen me, you have seen the father"......seems to say that by
appealing to one, we appeal to both, or to the Godhead.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be]
the Saviour of the world

It's a dilemma, isn't it?

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by Singer:
MEE,

Without faith it is impossible to please God. Just be thankful you've been
given the issue of faith in a large degree. Faith in what? ...you may ask.
Faith that Jesus rose from the dead (whoever he is) and faith that your
belief in Him will result in eternal life.

Aha........LOVE to preach .....wont you join me

Gee Singer, that sounds great, but Trinitarians don't see it that way........when it comes to Oneness doctrine. They still see God as three persons. That is what is so confusing. Also, even though I believe that Jesus is God, died for the sins of humanity, and rose from the dead, I'm considered a "heretic" for believing in One God, as they say they do also.

I suppose that it doesn't really matter anyway, because I could never see God as three persons. I'm just the type of person that has to analyze every thing.

Singer, thanks for being so kind and considerate in your responses. Love reading all of your posts!

MEE

 

[3AngelsMom]

MEE,

I'm right there with you sister!!

We 'thinkers' have been called heretics for years.

You think Jesus is the One God, I think The Father is the One God, yet we both Worship the same God, regardless of who we 'think' He is!

God knows our hearts, and knows the way our minds think. He knows the intent of our hearts as well.

It's good to know that there are Christians out there who can agree to disagree, and love each other regardless, don't you think?

I love reading Singers posts too. He's a good man.

I always enjoy yours as well, even when I don't agree with you.

God Bless,
Kelly