Who Is Jesus Christ?

[Happy]

You do know thta JW would say the same thing that you just did,

No, I do not know that. JW's are not my teacher.

so do you see the Holy Spirit as Being a person, and the third member of the trinity?

I was pretty clear. The Trinity IS ....

Rev.4

1. [8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

If ^ THAT is something a JW would say, it would seem they and I have some like thoughts.

 

[Happy]

Are there 3 persons right now, Father/Jesus and the Holy Spirit, or it One God, with 3 different manifestations?

THOUGHTS - POWER - WORD

I don't need to call God a "person", to know His THOUGHTS are by His Pleasure, His WORD comes forth out of His Mouth, and His POWER effects His Pleasure.

 

[Happy]

A question no JW can answer is: Tell me who the Spirit of Christ is?

Van ~

Who is your question posed to.....and why the mention of a JW?

 

[Yeshua1]

THOUGHTS - POWER - WORD

I don't need to call God a "person", to know His THOUGHTS are by His Pleasure, His WORD comes forth out of His Mouth, and His POWER effects His Pleasure.

UIs Jesus and the Holy Spirit distinct persons, are both of them God and alive right now?

 

[Yeshua1]

Van ~

Who is your question posed to.....and why the mention of a JW?

The JW would see jesus as being the Word, but not really God, and they see the Spirit as being a Force/energy of god, but not a person!

 

[Van]

Van ~"A question no JW can answer is: Tell me who the Spirit of Christ is?"

Who is your question posed to.....and why the mention of a JW?

Hi Happy, I was providing information to anyone reading the thread. I suppose the implication is that those who have a problem with the Trinity may have difficulty with the question. One such group is the JW sect.

 

[Van]

Happy, let me ask you a question which I am sure you will not answer: Is the Spirit of Christ the second Person of the Trinity or the third Person of the Trinity?

 

[Van]

For any of you folks actually interested in what scripture says, look at
Romans 8:9
1 Peter 1:11

And then look at these associated verses:

John 14:17
Acts of the Apostles 16:7
Galatians 4:6
Philippians 1:19
1 Thessalonians 4:8
2 Peter 1:21
1 John 3:24
1 John 4:14

 

[Van]

Oops, 1 John 4:14 above should be 1 John 4:13.

 

[Happy]

UIs Jesus and the Holy Spirit distinct persons, are both of them God and alive right now?

God ~ distinctly CALLED ~ FATHER
God ~ distinctly CALLED ~ HOLY SPIRIT
God ~ distinctly CALLED ~ WORD

God is ONE God ~ with distinct "attributes" that APPLY to Him ONLY.

God's "Names" apply to Him.
God's "Thoughts" apply to Him.
God's "Power" applies to Him.
God's "Word" applies to Him.
God's "Seed" applies to Him.

God can and DOES, give "NAMES" to Himself, His Power, His Word, His Seed, His Position, etc.

It does NOT make God "separate" .... NOT "separate" from Himself, NOT "separate" from His Thoughts, NOT "separate" from His Power, NOT "separate" from His Word, NOT "separate" from His Seed, etc.

 

[Happy]

The JW would see jesus as being the Word, but not really God, and they see the Spirit as being a Force/energy of god, but not a person!

Thanks for the lesson.

Now QUOTE ME, saying I believe;

jesus as being the Word, but not really God,

for you to IMPLY I did.

 

[Happy]

Hi Happy, I was providing information to anyone reading the thread. I suppose the implication is that those who have a problem with the Trinity may have difficulty with the question. One such group is the JW sect.

Timing of your comment;

Your post came right after Yeshua1, implied I follow after the teaching of JW's, which is a false accusation.

 

[Happy]

Happy, let me ask you a question

which I am sure you will not answer:

I don't even know you. What did you specifically base your "sureness" on ?

 

[Van]

Happy, post #33, provides fulfillment of my predictive assessment of your prior posts.

 

[Happy]

Happy, post #38, provides fulfillment of my predictive assessment of your prior posts.

Your reply is post # 34

Guess I'll wait for 4 more posts to find out what your predictive assessment is.

 

[Van]

Who is the Spirit of Christ, the second Person of the Trinity or the third Person of the Trinity?

Should the verses (Romans 8:9 and 1 Peter 1:11) be translated as subjective genitives (Christ's Spirit) or as the Spirit Christ gave or sent? Isn't if a fact we are sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Trinity. Thus the basic answer is the Spirit of Christ should read the Spirit sent (or given) by Christ. But what about the OT prophets, were they inspired by the Second Person or the Third?

Try re-translating the verses according to your understanding? Bible study 101 includes our effort to nail down ambiguity. Sometimes we can, but at other times the meaning remains uncertain.

 

[Van]

For example consider John 14:17: that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. (NASB)

Since the Spirit in view is the Holy Spirit (third Person of the Trinity) we can phrase "Spirit of truth" as the Spirit sent by Truth. Next we can rephrase the end because if we are born anew, the Holy Spirit is already in us. Therefore this could be translated as ... "because He resides in you and will remain in you.

Unless you have been born anew, you cannot be indwelt. (Note the world - those not born anew - cannot receive Him.) See or know could be understood to mean discern and understand.

Is this the correct understanding? You be the judge. But it certainly removes the ambiguity and provides a clear understanding of the message.

 

[Van]

Similarly, in Acts 16:7 the Spirit of Jesus (or just Spirit in Byzantine type texts) appears again to refer to the Holy Spirit sent by Jesus. It appears that several times in scripture the Holy Spirit is acting as the agent of the second Person of the Trinity but this implication is not well translated. But see John 16:14 for a basis for believing Jesus sometimes speaks through the voice of our Helper, the Holy Spirit.

 

[JonC]

I asked this, because the person who started this does not tell us, just gives a bunch of Scripture passages!

Yep....I hate it when Christians express their belief with a bunch of Scripture.

(but I get your point)

 

[Yeshua1]

God ~ distinctly CALLED ~ FATHER
God ~ distinctly CALLED ~ HOLY SPIRIT
God ~ distinctly CALLED ~ WORD

God is ONE God ~ with distinct "attributes" that APPLY to Him ONLY.

God's "Names" apply to Him.
God's "Thoughts" apply to Him.
God's "Power" applies to Him.
God's "Word" applies to Him.
God's "Seed" applies to Him.

God can and DOES, give "NAMES" to Himself, His Power, His Word, His Seed, His Position, etc.

It does NOT make God "separate" .... NOT "separate" from Himself, NOT "separate" from His Thoughts, NOT "separate" from His Power, NOT "separate" from His Word, NOT "separate" from His Seed, etc.

Are there right now 3 Persons who togther make up the One God or not?