Who Is Jesus Christ?

[Yeshua1]

Thanks for the lesson.

Now QUOTE ME, saying I believe;



for you to IMPLY I did.

You heeping referring to Him as beingng the Word of God, which is true, but is he also God. in that he is a separate Person from the Father?

 

[JonC]

No. Those are your words.

God IS the creator of ALL things. He thought and He decided what and when He would create.
His THOUGHTS do not create, just as, because you THINK of something, doesn't mean it exists.
His POWER is the ENERGY, THE MIGHT, that causes HIS THOUGHTS to be effected.
And then there is a itty bitty necessary connection....called HIS WORD. Which is the LINK between Gods THOUGHT and Gods SPEAKING, that reveals His THOUGHT be KNOWN, and HIS POWER that effects (causes His WORD) to effect HIS THOUGHT.

Now you have thoughts, and you can speak them, and you can effect them, via your own capability/power, strength, fortitude, ability, position....whatever.....IT DOES NOT make YOU multiple persons......and God is not "multiple persons".....AND FYI, God is a Spirit.

Gods THOUGHTS, Gods POWER, Gods WORD "are" distinct "attributes" "OF" God, but not 3 Gods and not separate one from the other.

In terms of the Trinity (and of course depending on how you define "persons") it does make the Godhead three distinct persons. The Son is submissive in will to the Father, the Spirit to the Father and Son (if you need passages that confirm this, then please let me know....I assume you have the passages, or at least can do the leg work). In other words, the Son does not act on his own accord but has the ability to do so (obedience). The Spirit did not come on his own accord but was sent by the Father and Son.

The only possible way that you can deny Trinitiarian doctrine and not deny Scripture is to define "persons" in such a way as is not defined by those who advocate Trinitarian doctrine. And once you do that, your voice becomes irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Yeshua1]

In terms of the Trinity (and of course depending on how you define "persons") it does make the Godhead three distinct persons. The Son is submissive in will to the Father, the Spirit to the Father and Son (if you need passages that confirm this, then please let me know....I assume you have the passages, or at least can do the leg work). In other words, the Son does not act on his own accord but has the ability to do so (obedience). The Spirit did not come on his own accord but was sent by the Father and Son.

The only possible way that you can deny Trinitiarian doctrine and not deny Scripture is to define "persons" in such a way as is not defined by those who advocate Trinitarian doctrine. And once you do that, your voice becomes irrelevant to the discussion.

To deny the trinity is to deny the scripture teachings concerning the nature and persons of God!

 

[Van]

Jesus is the incarnate Second person of the Trinity. The second person of the Trinity is also the anointed One, chosen to be God's Redeemer, His lamb. Jesus Christ is God's one of a kind Son, given so that everyone believing into Him will not perish, but have eternal life. Jesus is Yahweh, God Almighty

 

[JonC]

To deny the trinity is to deny the scripture teachings concerning the nature and persons of God!

Although men differ in how they view the doctrine of God and understandings of the Godhead vary, to deny the Trinity is to deny God, period.

 

[Yeshua1]

Although men differ in how they view the doctrine of God and understandings of the Godhead vary, to deny the Trinity is to deny God, period.

Yes, as they would have heresy such as Jesus Only. Modulaism etc!

 

[Happy]

Are there right now 3 Persons who togther make up the One God or not?

Person - defined
is a human being regarded as an individual.

IS God a PERSON?

IS God A (one) Person, two Person(s), three Person(s)?

God revealed -

John 4: 24 [24] God is a Spirit:

Man revealed -

Gen.2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,


Men - a vessel - a body - dust formed by God - given LIFE from God - given a place to inhabit - given provisions to sustain a living existence - called People, called Humans, called A Person, called Man, called MAN-"KIND", because the KIND of thing they are; are created beings from dust of a created earth.

Does THAT APPLY to God, who created man-KIND? No. So WHY do we say, this person, this person, and this person make up the ONE TRUE GOD?

Do you know the answer to that question?

 

[Happy]

In terms of the Trinity (and of course depending on how you define "persons") it does make the Godhead three distinct persons. The Son is submissive in will to the Father, the Spirit to the Father and Son (if you need passages that confirm this, then please let me know....I assume you have the passages, or at least can do the leg work). In other words, the Son does not act on his own accord but has the ability to do so (obedience). The Spirit did not come on his own accord but was sent by the Father and Son.

The only possible way that you can deny Trinitiarian doctrine and not deny Scripture is to define "persons" in such a way as is not defined by those who advocate Trinitarian doctrine. And once you do that, your voice becomes irrelevant to the discussion.

When I speak of denial, you can challenge such.

 

[JonC]

When I speak of denial, you can challenge such.

To tell you the truth, I'm not sure exactly what you are denying.

Do you deny that the Father, Son, and Spirit are the one true God yet each are not the other?

When I say that one cannot deny the Trinity without denying God that is what I mean (not a specific understanding of the Trinity, but a basic acceptance of God's revelation of Himself through Scripture).

 

[Happy]

To tell you the truth, I'm not sure exactly what you are denying.

But that didn't stop you from saying;

The only possible way that you can deny Trinitiarian doctrine....

Leaving the reader to PRESUME you are responding to me denying the Trinity......WHICH was nothing whatsoever anything I said.

Do you deny that the Father, Son, and Spirit are the one true God yet each are not the other?

Do you have a quote of me saying such a thing?

Do you believe the Father IS God?
Do you believe the Son IS God?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?

Do you believe God is a person?
Do you believe God is separated from God?

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is Gods Power?
Do you believe Jesus is Gods Word?

 

[JonC]

Leaving the reader to PRESUME

Here is your error. I did not leave the reader to presume anything. I made a general statement from which you drew an assumption.

 

[Happy]

Here is your error. I did not leave the reader to presume anything. I made a general statement from which you drew an assumption.

Here is your error....I am not assuming responsibility for your words. You made an implication specific to me about me. [personal insults removed]

 

[JonC]

Here is your error....I am not assuming responsibility for your words. You made an implication specific to me about me. [personal insults removed].

I am sorry you took my comments personally. That was not my intention. I am not asking you to assume responsibility for my words, but I am asking that you refrain from inferring what has not been implied. The implication was not made specifically to you about you, but rather in general about a comment you had made.

I do not know what you believe regarding the Trinity. Perhaps you have adequately expressed your view on this thread, but to be honest I have not gone through and read your posts. But skimming through something in one of your posts reminded me of a truth another offered years ago and I offered it here (as a general statement that to reject the Trinity is to reject God...not that it applies to you personally but that it applies in general to your statements).

In the future I think it would benefit you to develop the ability to discuss doctrine without making things personal. There are many here who will willingly engage your ideas (some perhaps negatively, other's positively). But what we interact with are words and ideas. There is absolutely no excuse to insult another person in the name of debate. From what I've read of your comments I believe you can contribute to several discussions, if only you can refrain from taking comments personally and responding to such assumptions.

 

[Yeshua1]

But that didn't stop you from saying;



Leaving the reader to PRESUME you are responding to me denying the Trinity......WHICH was nothing whatsoever anything I said.



Do you have a quote of me saying such a thing?

Do you believe the Father IS God?
Do you believe the Son IS God?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?

Do you believe God is a person?
Do you believe God is separated from God?

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is Gods Power?
Do you believe Jesus is Gods Word?

The bible teaches that God is a person called the Father, a seperate person called Jesus, and another seperate Person called the Holy Spirit!

 

[Happy]

I am sorry you took my comments personally. That was not my intention. I am not asking you to assume responsibility for my words, but I am asking that you refrain from inferring what has not been implied. The implication was not made specifically to you about you, but rather in general about a comment you had made.

I do not know what you believe regarding the Trinity. Perhaps you have adequately expressed your view on this thread, but to be honest I have not gone through and read your posts. But skimming through something in one of your posts reminded me of a truth another offered years ago and I offered it here (as a general statement that to reject the Trinity is to reject God...not that it applies to you personally but that it applies in general to your statements).

In the future I think it would benefit you to develop the ability to discuss doctrine without making things personal. There are many here who will willingly engage your ideas (some perhaps negatively, other's positively). But what we interact with are words and ideas. There is absolutely no excuse to insult another person in the name of debate. From what I've read of your comments I believe you can contribute to several discussions, if only you can refrain from taking comments personally and responding to such assumptions.

The implication was not made specifically to you about you, but rather in general about a comment you had made.

I am NOT a fan of "political" correctness. When I speak, it IS my word and my word is me. THAT is a principle taught IN scripture, and IF you should ever find yourself in the witness box in a court of law, you will find your word is you.

If I make a comment, that is my word. If you want to agree, disagree or challenge what I say, have at it.
But do not imply you are commenting on something I did not say.

about a comment you had made

Still no clue what "my comment" was, that you felt compelled to respond...speaking of denial, the Trinity, and rejection....
Nothing whatsoever was in my comment that even spoke of denial, the Trinity or rejection....

Sort of like if I had commented on Apples, and by you reading my comment you reply talking about the denial and rejection of Oranges. Nonsensical!

 

[Happy]

The bible teaches that God is a person called the Father, a seperate person called Jesus, and another seperate Person called the Holy Spirit!

Enlighten me please. Could you point me in the direction of Scriptures...that say.... God is a person, Jesus is a person, the Holy Spirit is a person?

 

[JonC]

I am NOT a fan of "political" correctness. When I speak, it IS my word and my word is me. THAT is a principle taught IN scripture, and IF you should ever find yourself in the witness box in a court of law, you will find your word is you.

If I make a comment, that is my word. If you want to agree, disagree or challenge what I say, have at it.
But do not imply you are commenting on something I did not say.



Still no clue what "my comment" was, that you felt compelled to respond...speaking of denial, the Trinity, and rejection....
Nothing whatsoever was in my comment that even spoke of denial, the Trinity or rejection....

Sort of like if I had commented on Apples, and by you reading my comment you reply talking about the denial and rejection of Oranges. Nonsensical!

My comment is that a denial of the Trinity is a denial of God. What I am implying is that there can be differing views on the nature of the Trinity within Christianity without denying God.

What you are doing, however, is acting like a child who feels a need to be the center of attention. I hate to crush your pride, but once you post something it is there for others to address - either to you or in general concerning the topic.

To be blunt, your reply is stupid. Mine was a quick comment about the Trinity. You are wasting time trying to tell me what I intended by my comment. Grow up. It was a simple observation, not an accusation.

Get on topic.

 

[Yeshua1]

Enlighten me please. Could you point me in the direction of Scriptures...that say.... God is a person, Jesus is a person, the Holy Spirit is a person?

Jesus was/is a Person, the Father and the Holy Spirit BOTH are shown to think/talk/act/fell what else could they all be?

 

[Happy]

Jesus was/is a Person, the Father and the Holy Spirit BOTH are shown to think/talk/act/fell what else could they all be?

Pretty confidant humans do not come down from Heaven.
Jesus came down from Heaven.

 

[Yeshua1]

Pretty confidant humans do not come down from Heaven.
Jesus came down from Heaven.

Jesus was and still is human, correct?