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All true.Originally posted by Michael52:
Word
Creator
Light
Son of Man
God, God with us
Son of God
Life
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I do not agree.Originally posted by atestring:
I have to agree God is not a person He is God.
We are persons and we are in a different class than God even though we are made in the image of God.
In John 17 Christ said that we are to be ONE as He is ONE with the Father. The concept of ONE for the Godhead is never "ONE PERSON". It is a statement of unity - not personhood.Tony what is your problem? What does it matter if I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost being "One God" and not three persons? I don't use the word 'persons' because the Bible states that God is made up of "Three manifestations," which is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost..and these three are ONE!
Amen, Bob!In many many references - it is clear that there are 3 PERSONS in the Godhead and that they are ONE in purpose, fully united and therefore ONE God.
</font>[/QUOTE]Found in the public domain at: http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/trinandcan.htmThere are many anti-Trinitarian groups today that object to the doctrine of the Trinity because it was officially formulated late in the fourth century by men that were less than perfect. The lateness of the doctrine, and the errors of the men who grappled with the issues surrounding it, are often brought up in an attempt to discredit the doctrine.
Despite these charges by non-Trinitarians, many of them fail to realize that it was Trinitarians who were also responsible for organizing the New Testament Canon of Scripture. Around the same time that Church leaders were grappling with issues concerning the Trinity, in the fourth century, they were also in the process of formulating the New Testament Canon of Scripture. God used Trinitarians, such as Athanasius, to formulate the 27 books of the New Testament as we have it today.* So the very Bible’s that Bible confessing anti-Trinitarian groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses, Unitarians, Mormons, Christadelphians, the Way International, and Oneness groups, use and refer to, contains a Canon that was formulated by the same people who formulated the Trinity in the fourth century! If Jehovah’s Witnesses have the true doctrine of God, then why did God use Trinitarians for the job of formulating the canon rather than others who were closer in doctrine to Jehovah's Witnesses, such as Arius of Alexandria? If Oneness Pentecostals have the true doctrine of God then why did God use Trinitarians for the job of formulating the Canon rather than others who were closer in doctrine to Oneness believers, such as those who held to the teaching of Sabellius.
Non-Trinitarians such as Jehovah's Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostals, Christadelphians, and many others, have to face up to the fact that God saw fit to use Trinitarians to organize His holy word. If those who believe in the Trinity are part of "Satan’s Organization" "worldly" and "apostate" (words often used by non-Trinitarians against Trinitarians), then why did God use them for such a high and holy task? Could it be that He used them because, the reality is that they are not part of "Satan’s Organization" "worldly" and "apostate", but rather God's true believers? Who else would God entrust with organizing and handling His Word in this way other than His own people?
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Athanasius of Alexandria (born 293 CE, died May 2 373 CE) - Prominent Trinitarian defender in the early Church.
The 39th Festal Letter of Athanasius (367 CE):
"Continuing, I must without hesitation mention the scriptures of the New Testament; they are the following: the four Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, after them the Acts of the Apostles and the seven so-called catholic epistles of the apostles -- namely, one of James, two of Peter, then three of John and after these one of Jude. In addition there are fourteen epistles of the apostle Paul written in the following order: the first to the Romans, then two to the Corinthians and then after these the one to the Galatians, following it the one to the Ephesians, thereafter the one to the Philippians and the one to the Colossians and two to the Thessalonians and the epistle to the Hebrews and then immediately two to Timothy , one to Titus and lastly the one to Philemon. Yet further the Revelation of John These are the springs of salvation, in order that he who is thirsty may fully refresh himself with the words contained in them. In them alone is the doctrine of piety proclaimed. Let no one add anything to them or take anything away from them..."
No, I'm a Christian first and a Baptist next. I am a former Catholic. I posted the info to show everyone that determining who is right and who is wrong is not always a clear cut thing.HankD, are you a little branch off from the Catholic Church? Do you go by 'all' of the books that the CC put together? I doubt it!
Michael are you denying the doctrine of the Trinity? If so I would ask you as I did Mee to read Isaiah 48: 15-16 and tell me who is who in this passage.Show me where someone in this topic has denied that Jesus is God.... I don't see it. Jesus is God. I asked the question, Who is God? The reference of 1Cor. 8:6 was given that defines the one God as Father. Jesus is God in the flesh. Be cautious before labeling someone JW.
Michael52,
The bible says there is but one God, the Father.
Are you serious? You can't be? You only know it is Jesus speaking when the letters are red?Why is this scripture in the red letter editions not in red letters according to your understanding of this scripture?
Paul DOES indeed say, that there is one God, the Father. Jesus in turn is called the Son of God. What is the problem, and if there is a problem, how do you account for Paul's words?Show me where someone in this topic has denied that Jesus is God.... I don't see it. Jesus is God. I asked the question, Who is God? The reference of 1Cor. 8:6 was given that defines the one God as Father. Jesus is God in the flesh. Be cautious before labeling someone JW.
Michael52,
The bible says there is but one God, the Father.
Paul DOES indeed say, that there is one God, the Father. Jesus in turn is called the Son of God. What is the problem, and if there is a problem, how do you account for Paul's words?Originally posted by dean198:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Show me where someone in this topic has denied that Jesus is God.... I don't see it. Jesus is God. I asked the question, Who is God? The reference of 1Cor. 8:6 was given that defines the one God as Father. Jesus is God in the flesh. Be cautious before labeling someone JW.
Isa.9Originally posted by dean198:
It seems that some on here hold to oneness doctrine. Jesus is not the "everlasting father." Young's Literal renders the Hebrew literally into English as "father of eternity." This is totally different. Jesus is the Son of God, it is that simple. God sent His Son, He didn't send himself.
Dean
Amen!!!! Because that is what the Bible teaches.It's just that some seem to think that the Son/Jesus is the "second person" in a Trinity.