who is ruckman?

[Orvie]

Originally posted by Jim Ward:
Us Bible believers want honest discussion. We want you myth lovers to be honest, to have integrity. We want you to drop your double standard SOP. But, for reasons known only to your side, you refuse.


Jim

Jim, what you don't seem to get is that you call yourself a "Bible believer" (which you are), but ignorantly deny us the same title, since we believe the KJV:kjb was a human translation, instead of God breathed. The AV translators didn't see their translation as you do, were they "Bible beleivers"? If not, according to your narrow definition, why did God "choose" them to translate the Scriptures, when in fact, they wisely saw the profitableness of the variety of translations? So Jim, assuming you're right, why exactly did God stoop to chose "Bible correctors" to translate His Word? Was He desparate? **poof** myth exposed yet again.

 

[HankD]

So Jim, assuming you're right, why exactly did God stoop to chose "Bible correctors" to translate His Word?

They proved this desire to "correct" God's Word when in 1613 when they issued the first "corrected" Revision of the AV1611 followed by many more, one of which included the removal of the heretical Apocrypha from the AV which had been added by the high-church men of the Anglo-Catholic Church of England.

It is unfortunate that all this venom should be spewed out upon those who loved the AV enough to recognize it's flaws and attempted to correct them.

Ironically enough as Orvie has pointed out the original KJ Bible translators are at the head of the list.

HankD

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jim Ward:
Us Bible believers want honest discussion. We want you myth lovers to be honest, to have integrity. We want you to drop your double standard SOP. But, for reasons known only to your side, you refuse.

Homogenizing the opposition - how dull.

Does anybody remember what this topic
was about, you know, like at the start?

</font>[/QUOTE]Yessir, it was "Who was Ruckman?"

THAT ought to tell you why the thread degraded so fast.

 

[Phillip]

Speaking of degradation of a subject thread; this ought to be a good lesson to evolutionists.

Has anyone seen one of these things get better?

I didn't think so, the law of entropy exists even on the internet.

 

[Pastor KevinR]

Originally posted by Phillip:
Has anyone seen one of these things get better?

Hey man, this is what the KJVO's claim! Yikes.

 

[Trotter]

Jim Ward said:
Personally, I find the mv "standard" to be 100% mythical at best and fully demonic at worst. Either way, the mv "standard" is from something, or someone other then God.

Hey, uh, Jim, pardon me if I am wrong, but I have yet to see anyone on the BaptistBoard rant and rave that the NKJV is God's standard for judging other translations of the bible. Nor has anyone touted the NASB, the NIV, the ESV, or any other modern version/translation. The only ones declaring ANY PARTICULAR ONE as such are...you guessed it...the King James Version Only crowd!

Being that I have a perfect God, it's only logical to beleive that His word is also perfect. I guess that means that the "god" of the mv "defenders" is imperfect since according to them ALL Bibles have errors.

So, are we now worshipping a 'false god' because we do not bow and scrape to the KJV as the one and only 'God-breathed' bible? Again, you are substituting 'King James' for 'God's word' (not that it's not, but it is not the only one). And it is not that ALL bibles have errors; only the KJVOnlyists are saying that. It is that different people translated some words differently, or used a slightly different manuscript (news flash, the TR is not the only one, nor is it the best one).

Versions based on corrupt and perverted MSS are perversions.

Like I said above, the TR is not the only manuscript, nor is it the best. The TR was edited together fro several sources. But we now have many manuscripts that are far older than those used to develop the TR. And many of these older manuscripts do not have the copyist's additions that crept in over time.

Us Bible believers want honest discussion. We want you myth lovers to be honest, to have integrity. We want you to drop your double standard SOP. But, for reasons known only to your side, you refuse.

Again, you are implying that anyone who does not hold to the 'standard' of the KJV is not believing in the bible as God's word. Mister, that really offends me! And you have the gall to call everyone who does not accept the man-made fairytale of KJVOnly 'myth lovers'! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

And you want integrity, but have the nerve to claim that we who do not worship an outdated English translation are using a double standard against the KJVOnly crowd? I, and many others have given you more integrity than your attacks warrant.

Jim, I hold nothing against you personally. I believe that you truly love the Lord and His word, just as I know that Precepts does. But I do hold the concept of the King James Version as being the standard that all other translations should be compared to as simply ridiculous. I mean, hey, let's go back to cubits, spans, and fingers! Or hins and baths! And why not? It was good enough for the King James...

Yes, I was being silly. Almost as silly as this whole KJVOnly nonsense.

Now, what was this thread supposed to be about?

In Christ,
Trotter

 

[robycop3]

Trotter, if you hadn't noticed by now, all Jim does in the BV issue is take OUR arguments against KJVO and reverse them-nothing original. I call an existing doctrine, KJVO, a false doctrine & a myth, and Jim simply says the "MVism" doctrine is a myth. One little prob-THERE'S NO MVISM DOCTRINE. This is a straw man invented by KJVOs to have something to kick. But I haven't seen anything original from any KJVO for 20 years. All I see is the same old garbage in a freshly-painted dumpster.

Notice that he's stumped by the little "by whose authority" question.

However, Jim IS saved and is working to lead others to Jesus, and he's done some VERY excellent work against several of the worst cults in our land, and I support him 100% in this work. I LIKE the man, but he really should stick to what he does best and get out of the KJVO mindset ASAP before it takes over.