WHO should Pastor's Allow to Speak to their Congregations?

[Herald]

We guard the pulpit jealously. We consider the pulpit to be a place where the gospel is preached and the standard that must be met to preach from behind it is high.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

We guard the pulpit jealously. We consider the pulpit to be a place where the gospel is preached and the standard that must be met to preach from behind it is high.

Outa curiosity Herald, would you let Paul Washer speak at your church? Then may I ask WHY or WHY NOT?

 

[Herald]

I have no doctrinal or theological objections to Paul Washer. I believe he preaches the gospel accurately. If there was a cause for him to preach at our church I would approve him.

 

[preacher4truth]

It's a split decision for me. I am against CoC doctrine only because Scripture is against it.

There are many variables in the OP and its premise. One thing I have noted is that the OP is nearly incessantly posting with a finger pointing at others. That is a red flag to me.

One other thing is this, what happens when a young lady convinces others to dress modestly? Lost people begin to dress modestly and follow a fad?

Modestly dressed women will still go to hell unless they are converted (men as well). Although I believe this to be a nice gesture, we have to ask where exactly does 'nice' get a person? The Gospel is 'this is what God has done in my life', so now I dress modestly and so should you?

It looks to me that, perhaps unintentionally, the objective is to get the lost to act saved and to dress modestly. But then again, if the Gospel is presented perhaps some there will be converted, but I don't see anything in Scripture where a message was preached to the lost about being modest in their dress.

That is not the Gospel.

But if only one were to hear the Gospel and become converted, then God is doing His work in spite of the problems with the message, but then again we are talking about a message through a young girl who still has much to learn about soteriology and God's ways.

Would I allow a CoC to address my people with a message? Absolutely not. Do I believe all CoC are lost because of their beliefs? Not at all. I believe many of them have been converted but have been unfortunately indoctrinated by a false system.

I'd give the girl a break, if Christ is preached then that is great and hopefully some will come to genuine conversion and perhaps the girl will also grow and mature in the faith as well.

 

[Zaac]

It's a split decision for me. I am against CoC doctrine only because Scripture is against it.

There are many variables in the OP and its premise. One thing I have noted is that the OP is nearly incessantly posting with a finger pointing at others. That is a red flag to me.

You note what you want. I include me in posts about evangelical Christians.

There are two variables: To honor Christ or to not honor Christ.

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

Same Subject...Bit Time to CHANGE "Gears"!

I deleted this post for grammatical reasons. See the post below.

 

[preacher4truth]

You note what you want. I include me in posts about evangelical Christians.

There are two variables: To honor Christ or to not honor Christ.

Yes, you are always defending yourself. And pointing fingers at others.

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

Same Subject...But Time to CHANGE "Gears"!

While even I agree that the Duck people can be entertaining...and I respect the fact that they are not ashamed to showcase their "faith", if I was a pastor of a Bible-Believing, preaching, church and I was wanting to bring in a Christian speaker or family to be an uplifting and encouraging influence on the congregation....and it was someone/or group of people that had been showcased on a TV reality show, I believe it would be far more edifying if it was folks like the Duggars (19 Kids and Counting) or the Bates family that are seen regularly on TLC. They are all far better examples of biblical and family values than the Duck Dynasty crowd. My biggest problem with the DD folks (besides the doctrinal problems with their church) is that it is sometimes difficult to seperate "fact" and "fiction" when watching them. With the Duggars and the Bates it IS "reality" and they DO stand for sound biblical principles. I am actually amazed that they have managed to survive in "TV land" given the wicked tendencies of the people who produce shows in this culture. I think God has protected their testimonies (unto himself) that there would be a godly testimony in these dark days. Those folks are a true blessing. If you're gonna invite anybody to speak from TV land....try them!:thumbsup:

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

[Zaac]

Yes, you are always defending yourself. And pointing fingers at others.

You mean like you defend yourself and point the finger at me? I have no problem pointing mine out or correcting false accusations.:thumbs:

 

[Jerome]

Better link for OP:

http://www.saddleback.com/events/eventdetails.aspx?id=64745

Duck Dynasty Day
When:7/21/2013

DD Day The Robertson Family at Saddleback Church

 

[Mexdeaf]

My sons have heard Phil and Willie share their testimonies and the Gospel several times at different Christian functions. They have NEVER mentioned baptism as a part of salvation.

If they aren't going to YOUR or MY church, then it ain't none of our business where they are going.

And I thank God for their children taking a stand for what is good and godly. Would you rather they were not?

For you critics, here is a Youtube video. I'm sure you will find much to criticize about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85nDCFuiBzA&feature=share

 

[Mexdeaf]

From http://www.gospelherald.com/article...tionals-modest-clothing-line.htm#.UiUR4ryE5bJ

Sadie knows that her status as a television star will give her an opportunity to be a good example for other young women. “I think it's awesome that people see something in me that's different, but it's really a challenge to me and my spiritual way and everything. If little girls are looking up to me, I've got to be the example they need. If I'm going to claim that I'm different from everybody else on TV, I've got to be different than everybody else. It's encouraging to me and really helping me to be a better person,” she said.

I wish Miley had some of that...

 

[Berean]

I agree with Zaac on this one. The family has made it very clear that they follow Church of Christ doctrine.

What isn't covered in Zaac's post is the church in question. A quick scan of their website reveals "they have something for everyone"; and their ministry pages indicate they're pretty much non-denominational. Thus, it's no surprise that a fundamental belief such as being baptized to be saved is condoned in that place.

I'm not challenging you on your statement that they are COC, but where can I document tis?

 

[Mexdeaf]

I'm not challenging you on your statement that they are COC, but where can I document tis?

Their church website is under construction, but it is White's Ferry Road Church of Christ. Phil is an elder there.

 

[Van]

Could a Calvinist speak at a General Baptist Church. Could an Arminian speak at a Reformed Baptist Church.

Because scripture refers to baptism for either water baptism done in obedience to Christ, and spiritual baptism done by the Holy Spirit, many people hold differing views. You must be baptized to be saved is true if spiritual baptism is in view and false if water baptism is in view.

Do all Church of Christ assemblies believe water baptism is necessary for salvation? Nope. But many do!

Provincialism is hardly evangelical.

 

[Jerome]

http://www.christianchronicle.org/a...nd_ducks:_Behind_the_scenes_of_'Duck_Dynasty'

The entire Robertson family is active with the White’s Ferry Road Church of Christ, which meets just a few miles from the Duck Commander/Buck Commander warehouse in this northeast Louisiana town of 13,000.

“They have been consistently evangelistic,” White’s Ferry Road minister and elder Mike Kellett said of the Robertsons. “Jase and Willie were both in my youth group years ago and were reaching out to the lost as teens.”

Other White’s Ferry Road members include duck call makers John Godwin and Justin Martin and secretary Linda Hammit

Phil Robertson and his oldest son Al — the clean-shaven member of the clan who describes himself as a “Jacob in a family of Esaus” — both serve as White’s Ferry Road church elders.

After 20 years in the pulpit, Al Robertson recently stepped down as one of the 1,200-member congregation’s ministers.

Willie’s wife, Korie Robertson, is the daughter of John Howard, also a White’s Ferry Road elder and Duck Commander employee. Korie’s grandfather, the late Alton Howard, wrote gospel songs and sold more than 3 million church hymnals used in Churches of Christ.

“It’s a total mission and ministry,” Kay Robertson said of “Duck Dynasty”

“Duck Dynasty” is based loosely on events in the Robertsons’ lives, but the producers change scenarios to fit storylines. . .Si Robertson, a Vietnam veteran presented as single on the show, is married. He and his wife, Christine, are active members of the church.

Phil Robertson said he and his sons Al and Jase preach the same message of faith, repentance and baptism wherever they’re invited.

 

[Zaac]

I just believe that God has entrusted the pastor with a great responsibility of overseeing the congregation. And allowing just anyone into the pulpit to preach from a foundation that does not align with the church's foundation is a very dangerous thing.

We often want so desperately to see something wholesome and representative of our morals, that we're willing to yoke ourselves to something that does not share the same foundation of truth.

And it always comes disguised as light. I've often said I'm much more conservative than a lot of folks who think they are conservative:laugh: I don't think the evangelical church has any business partnering with anything that may give the impression that we are okay with bad doctrine.

 

[Mexdeaf]

I just believe that God has entrusted the pastor with a great responsibility of overseeing the congregation. And allowing just anyone into the pulpit to preach from a foundation that does not align with the church's foundation is a very dangerous thing.

We often want so desperately to see something wholesome and representative of our morals, that we're willing to yoke ourselves to something that does not share the same foundation of truth.

And it always comes disguised as light. I've often said I'm much more conservative than a lot of folks who think they are conservative:laugh: I don't think the evangelical church has any business partnering with anything that may give the impression that we are okay with bad doctrine.

While I agree with you, there have been plenty of "bad" evangelists and pastors who had perfect doctrinal credentials who have publicly and congregationally done more harm to the cause of Christianity than the Robertson family.

I for one am glad for a family that lives out their faith publicly. And they get to do it on national TV. We should all be so blessed.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

While I agree with you, there have been plenty of "bad" evangelists and pastors who had perfect doctrinal credentials who have publicly and congregationally done more harm to the cause of Christianity than the Robertson family.

I for one am glad for a family that lives out their faith publicly. And they get to do it on national TV. We should all be so blessed.

And they sell more duck calls....business is booming!:love2: Everybody is Happy Happy Happy.

 

[Herald]

While I agree with you, there have been plenty of "bad" evangelists and pastors who had perfect doctrinal credentials who have publicly and congregationally done more harm to the cause of Christianity than the Robertson family.

I for one am glad for a family that lives out their faith publicly. And they get to do it on national TV. We should all be so blessed.

Does it concern you that that many CoC congregations believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation?