Who should vote?

[Salty]

Where? At a Church meeting, or in general politics?

how about both

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

how about both

Well, as far as women or wives voting in Church there's two reasons:
For Church:
1. For wives: God set up husbands as spiritual leaders of their house. Just as Elders/Pastors are appointed with the understanding that they are spiritual leaders in the Church, so too are husbands set as the spiritual leader in the family on the wedding day. That's why marriage vows include "Love, Honor and Obey" for the wife. With men being spiritual leaders it wouldn't make sense for wives to get their own vote as wives that are submitting to their husbands would vote as their husband does, and a wife not voting with her husband is displaying a lack of submission on a spiritual matter. That's akin to a husband making goo-goo eyes at some other woman while voting on a spiritual matter. I.E the vote is made in a sinful condition.

2. For single women: In a congregational setting the congregation is the final spiritual authority in the Church. The congregation appoints elders, removes elders, sets doctrine, and makes leadership decision on budgets and finances. God tells us that in the Church women are not to have spiritual authority over men. If you have a Church with 70 women and 20 men then in a congregational setting the 70 women will have spiritual authority over the 20 men, which is crystal clear sin as per Paul's writings.


As for voting in political matters - see my post here.

God created men differently than women. God has ordered the universe to be a Patriarchy, we even call God Father (not Mother). Men are always going to be on top because God made men to be on top. Men are even competing to be the best women and are winning nowadays - see Bruce Jenner "Woman of the Year", or men in women's sports, etc. Men will always come out on top because God made that men's nature and you can't fight God's Order. All we can do is choose WHICH men get on top, not WHETHER men get on top. And I think responsible land-owning men need to be on top, not Bruce Jenner.

Therefore since God ordered the universe to be a Patriarchy, we would be best served to follow His example. The only time in the Bible I know of when a woman leads was Deborah in Judges I believe. And she was there to be a judgement on Israel. Isaiah 3:12 also makes it plain when Isaiah says that women and children ruling over a nation are a judgement upon it and are negative.

 

[Salty]

Hmm - about 30 years ago - I became interim pastor of a very small church.
there were 3 ladies and no men. As interim - I did not join the church.

So how would voting in that church?

 

[OnlyaSinner]

OAS -is there an age limit?

Applicants for membership must be at least 18 years old, must have credible evidence of salvation and must have had believer's baptism.

 

[Salty]

Applicants for membership must be at least 18 years old, must have credible evidence of salvation and must have had believer's baptism.

Are you saying that is what your Church constitution states?

If so, does your constitution allow for Junior membership?

 

[canadyjd]

Are you saying that is what your Church constitution states?

If so, does your constitution allow for Junior membership?

The age of membership depends on whether there is going to be a vote to get rid of the pastor. In that case, young children get baptized and are allowed to vote, depending on where the parents stand.

I’m only half joking.

peace to you

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Hmm - about 30 years ago - I became interim pastor of a very small church.
there were 3 ladies and no men. As interim - I did not join the church.

So how would voting in that church?

A woman cannot hold spiritual authority over a man. Lock, stock and barrel.

In that case voting shouldn't even happen. Any vote at all would be a woman assuming spiritual authority over a man.

 

[Salty]

In that case voting shouldn't even happen. Any vote at all would be a woman assuming spiritual authority over a man.

Over what man - there were no men in that church

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

Over what man - there were no men in that church

My understanding was that you were the temporary Pastor.

I.E if the 3 women passed a resolution stating that the Church believed X while Pastor Salty believed Y you would've had women exercise spiritual authority over you as temporary Pastor.

 

[Salty]

My understanding was that you were the temporary Pastor.

I.E if the 3 women passed a resolution stating that the Church believed X while Pastor Salty believed Y you would've had women exercise spiritual authority over you as temporary Pastor.

and if I did not accept, I could easily leave

 

[OnlyaSinner]

Are you saying that is what your Church constitution states?

If so, does your constitution allow for Junior membership?

Yes, then no. Children under 18 can participate in "platform ministries" such as choir or other music. The church is fairly small, runs about 80 at the morning service.