This:
Jesus replied, "I tell you for certain that you must be born from above before you can see God's kingdom!"
...is no 'theory'.
1 Corinthians 2:10-14
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Who/What Is This Woman?
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This:
Jesus replied, "I tell you for certain that you must be born from above before you can see God's kingdom!"
...is no 'theory'.
1 Corinthians 2:10-14
Not what I said.
7Do not be amazed that I told you, ‘You must be born from above.’ 8The wind* blows where it wills, and you can hear the sound it makes, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes; so it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
The Woman is manifested in/represented by "everyone who is born of the Spirit". OT & NT.
What's your 'theory'? Who/what/where is she?
Are you saying that "believer" is not the same as "one who is born of the Spirit""
Genesis 3:15 is talking about Eve.
Genesis 3:20, same context says she is the mother of all the living. So, she, Eve, and her offspring, all living people ever, will be the subject of his enmity.
Didn't I understand you to say, somewhere, that you are a Calvinist? If so, you should understand one must first be born of the spirit so they can perceive/see/discern the truth of the gospel and become believers.
Agree. As with all types and allegories there is an immediate contextual meaning. If that's as far as you want to take it, that's your prerogative.
Ultimately the verse talks about Christ since it says the serpent will bruise his heel, and he will crush his head. But when I said that you believed that the woman (and, by implication, since the verse does that through Hebrew parallelism, her offspring) referred to believers only, you said "Not what I said."
I interpreted your "not what I said" as disagreeing with my understanding that you thought it was believers only. Then you just quote verses.
What is your point? Is there some disconnect between those born of the Spirit and believers?
Romans 8 says they are the same people.
Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
I interpreted your "not what I said" as disagreeing with my understanding that you thought it was believers only. Then you just quote verses.
What is your point? Is there some disconnect between those born of the Spirit and believers?
Romans 8 says they are the same people.
Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
And? what is your point? I know you are trying to make a point here. That is why you started a thread with a question you already know the answer to.
@Piper
Surely you can see why one would read more into Gen 3:15 than just the immediate contextual meaning, right?
1 And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars;
2 and she was the child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered.
3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads seven diadems. Rev 12
Surely you can see why one would read more into Gen 3:15 than just the immediate contextual meaning, right?
1 And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars;
2 and she was the child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered.
3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads seven diadems. Rev 12
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State your point clearly. Don't just quote a bunch of verses without a conclusion.
What EXACTLY do you read into it?
...but the OP is about the woman.
"The Woman is manifested in/represented by "everyone who is born of the Spirit". OT & NT."
Believers.
If you say, "that is not what I said", please explain to stupid old me what the difference is between believers and those born of the spirit, and don't ask me questions. State it. I know you are trying to prove a point here.
Believers.
If you say, "that is not what I said", please explain to stupid old me what the difference is between believers and those born of the spirit, and don't ask me questions. State it. I know you are trying to prove a point here.
Its not a theory... Brother Glen
1 John 4: 7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
John the Baptist was filled with the spirit and jumped for joy at the presence of Christ while in his mother's womb. Born of the Spirit? Yes. Does he qualify as a believer? I don't think so. You tell me what you think.
All believers are born from above/born of God/born of the Spirit. It's what enables them to believe.
All those born from above/born of God/born of the Spirit have not necessarily heard the gospel.
Matthew 25: 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Question... Why didn't these sheep know the LORD?... But he knew them!... And he gave them Eternal Life!... Brother Glen
I kind of thought that as a primitive Baptist, you'd have some belief about those who are elect that was different from orthodox Christianity. Paul talks about receiving the Spirit, and that is the same as being born of the Spirit. Yes, it happens before they believe, but not before birth. Being born of the Spirit is not the same as being elect. It happens in time. John The Baptist was an exception.
I'm not going to debate this.
Jesus was the seed of the woman as he is the only one not begotten of .a human father. It is not the woman who is important but the seed.