Who Won The Debate? Reviews Go To Obama

[targus]

No, I was not. I was having some fun with Pastor Larry in our sidebar discussion.

So flaming is fun?

Maybe Obama was just trying to have fun too by continually addressing Senator McCain as John.

Maybe at the next debate McCain can have fun by addressing Obama by his middle name.:saint:

 

[KenH]

So flaming is fun?

I wasn't flaming. In fact, I am being ultra cautious about minding my P's and Q's in this forum about not attacking a fellow poster. Do you think I have done so in this thread?

 

[targus]

Then what do you make of the quotes I provided from Mr. Kissinger?

Not relevant.

Obama is running for President.

The U.S. is already negotiating with Iran behind the scenes.

Obviously Obama is talking about going to meet with hostile leaders himself as President.

 

[KenH]

Not relevant.

Why not? If Senator Obama is quoting him I don't see why they are not relevant.

If a Secretary of State or other U.S. diplomats meet with people of a foreign government they are doing so on behalf of the president regardless of whether the president is personally present.

 

[targus]

Why not? If Senator Obama is quoting him I don't see why they are not relevant.

If a Secretary of State or other U.S. diplomats meet with people of a foreign government they are doing so on behalf of the president regardless of whether the president is personally present.

Like I said, you will now tell us that you know more about what Kissinger is saying about his beliefs than Kissinger does.:laugh:

Or is it the case that Obama doesn't know that the US is already talking with Iran behind the scences?

If you are correct then apparently Obama doesn't know this - then he has hardly passed the commander-in-chief test.

 

[KenH]

I am simply providing quotes from Mr. Kissinger. I apologize if that offends you.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Even Chris Matthews said McCain won the debate. And Noreen O'Donnell was slamming her fist into the table, saying the GOP is already splicing the tapes together, where Obama keeps saying "John is right", "I agree with John" for McCain's next pitch ad.......

The MessNBCers all had pistols against their temples, last nite. I don't see how anyone could say Obama won.

 

[targus]

I am simply providing quotes from Mr. Kissinger. I apologize if that offends you.

It doesn't offend me at all.

You are simply choosing to ignore Kissinger's later clarification in order to hold on to your mistaken beliefs.

Again, you insist that you know better what Kissinger believes than Kissinger does.:laugh:

 

[dragonfly]

Even Chris Matthews said McCain won the debate. And Noreen O'Donnell was slamming her fist into the table, saying the GOP is already splicing the tapes together, where Obama keeps saying "John is right", "I agree with John" for McCain's next pitch ad.......

The MessNBCers all had pistols against their temples, last nite. I don't see how anyone could say Obama won.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/debate.poll/?iref=hpmostpop

 

[KenH]

I don't see how anyone could say Obama won.

I understand why you say that and I was watching MSNBC.

I disagree and many other people do, as well, who don't think that Senator McCain won.

Personally, I am glad that Senator Obama is willing to point out areas of agreement with political opponents and attempt to reach across the aisle to find consensus. I wish I was more like Senator Obama in that way.

 

[targus]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/debate.poll/?iref=hpmostpop

I don't know which horse you are backing this race but this paragraph from your source attests to the lack of value to this particular poll.

"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey is not a measurement of the views of all Americans, since only people who watched the debate were questioned and the audience included more Democrats than Republicans."

 

[KenH]

There are about 10% more people who describe themselves as Democrats than there are Republicans. Therefore, a poll should have more Democrats than Republicans.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I wish I was more like Senator Obama...


Well, start hanging around 60's radical criminals, get yerself a hatewhitey mentor, plagiarize a few vapid speeches, promise one thing and do another, spout off populist inanities, and say "change" a lot, and finally, convince everyone who criticizes you that they're racist.

 

[targus]

There are about 10% more people who describe themselves as Democrats than there are Republicans. Therefore, a poll should have more Democrats than Republicans.

In that case it is even worse for Obama than his lack of a significant lead in the polls would suggest.

If he is not 10 points ahead of McCain in the polls then he apparently hasn't successfully sold himself to even the Democrats.

 

[KenH]

It is true that Senator Obama is not doing as well, nationally, as a generic Democrat. Fortunately, he does not have to do so in order to win the Electoral College vote.

Now, I have some football and other stuff to watch and some food to eat, so I will be away from this forum for while today I hope no one will think that I am running away.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Go Grizzlies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[John Toppass]

I watched the whole debate. Both candidates did well. Then I remembered that one of the candidates represent a belief that says it is alright to murder children. I just do not understand how anyone who believes that Jesus Christ is Lord, can support such a candidate. [questioning the salvation of other posters deleted]. I will pray for them.

 

[Pastor Larry]

As a college professor of mine used to say, "I'd rather be lucky than good any time". In this case, though, I am good.

Actually, it was an easy guess since I say very little about that kind of stuff.

But if you are good, are you good enough to admit you were wrong? Or will you continue down the path you are going?

 

[dragonfly]

I don't know which horse you are backing this race but this paragraph from your source attests to the lack of value to this particular poll.

"The CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey is not a measurement of the views of all Americans, since only people who watched the debate were questioned and the audience included more Democrats than Republicans."

You and I both know that we can site polls, blogs, opinion pieces and the like which will back our assertions. The only one that will matter is this November. :wavey:

 

[Dragoon68]

I watched a little bit of the last part of this debate, and I cannot for the life of me figure out the infatuation with Obama. What I saw was a guy with talking points with little understanding. As the commentators pointed out afterwards, McCain embarrassed him on foreign policy and Obama looked like he had listened to a few people and just kept repeating what they were saying. He stumbled a lot, which is bad for someone whose big key is that he is a good speaker.

McCain is a horrible speaker, but at least he has a clue a foreign policy.

Someone tell me ... What is the infatuation with Obama?

I think the same way! My review is that Obama is without any substance and really not that good of a speaker. I think someone along the way said he was a good speaker so a lot of people just keep repeating it. He doesn't say anything concrete but uses a lot of generic "feel good" phrases. It's really easy to say we're going to have "change" but what "change" would we actually have with Obama? Nothing good that I can forsee and a whole lot of the typical Democratic agenda which wouldn't be good for America!

These days we live in a society consumed with a lust for "flash" and "feel good" words - even in church - so maybe it's all a lot of people know to look for. Maybe it's because a lot of the comments you hear come from the media and they are all about "flash". That's what they sell in the place of news and information. They can take just about any subject and work it up into a mega story to keep you glued to the television.

I'm once again convinced that the debate process isn't worth the time to watch because there's no real information exchanged. It's just a bunch of "tit for tat" swipes between two candidates. I think the days of the Federalist and Anti-Federal papers have long past - there's nothing of substance being debated these days. The comfort is to know that a lot of people who don't say much but think a lot will actually end up going to the polls to vote.

Does anyone have a link to a full transcript of the "debate"? Is it worth publishing?