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Who Would Christ "Have Been" If Man Did Not Fall?

Aaron

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Through God's foreknowledge, yes.
However you slice it...as long as it's understood that it was...

...according to the covenant made between them...
...the Father and the Son. That's eternal covenant , meaning that the Father's only begotten was eternally begotten for the purpose of offering His body as a sacrifice for sins.

...But if God hadn't given man free will to choose His own way there never would have been sin, and no need for Him in that role...
I would agree that free will, will always end in sin.
 
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Charlie24

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However you slice it...as long as it's understood that it was...


...the Father and the Son. That's eternal covenant , meaning that the Father's only begotten was eternally begotten for the purpose of offering His body as a sacrifice for sins.


I would agree that free will, will always end in sin.

We basically agree. I'm sure we could go further and find disagreement.
 

Marooncat79

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Through God's foreknowledge, yes.

But if God hadn't given man free will to choose His own way there never would have been sin, and no need for Him in that role.


Yes, only Adam and Eve had “free will”, the rest of us have been corrupted- yes even our minds
 

37818

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If Adam and Eve had not ate of the forbidden fruit, there would be no sin in this world, . . .
There would still had been sin, the Devil and his followers, Matthew 25:41, . . everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels . . .

Supposing no fall of man.
 

37818

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Psalms 2:7, I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

A prophecy of post crucifixion bodily resurrection. Acts 13:33.
 

Charlie24

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There would still had been sin, the Devil and his followers, Matthew 25:41, . . everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels . . .

Supposing no fall of man.

Angles are a different creation and are dealt with in a different way, and Hell was created for them, not man.

But all men will be with their father in the end.

No sin on the earth was never possible being that God gave man free will to choose his own way.
 

Ben1445

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The Son's Name, His Title, and His authority are merited by the work He did on the Cross.

Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. - Ephesians 1:15-23


Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:5-11



In addition, Christ's Priesthood is tied to His Sonship. They are inseparable and eternal. His calling to Sonship is His calling to Priesthood.

That is why Christ did not honor himself by assuming he could become High Priest. No, he was chosen by God, who said to him, "You are my Son. Today I have become your Father." Hebrews 5:5 NLT



His work of Redemption is the essence of His identity and the reason He bears the marks of the nails in His hands, and the mark of the spear in His side.

Creation was all about the Cross. The Rest that Christ prepared for us by His death and resurrection, was ready since the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, made the world.


For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, "In my anger I took an oath: 'They will never enter my place of rest,'" even though this rest has been ready since he made the world.

We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: "On the seventh day God rested from all his work." Hebrews 4:3-4.



For these reasons, it would not be an adding to Scripture, but an harmonizing of the Scriptures, to say, all things were created by him, and for him: [and him crucified.] Colossians 1:16


If not for the plan of Redemption, what role would the Son fill?

He would be glorified as He was before. And after creation, He is glorified by His creation. In the future, He will be glorified completely as He deserves and yet, at present, does not receive from His creation perfectly.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
 

JesusFan

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We do not know He would not have chosen an incarnation for the benefit of mankind whom He made in His image.
THE reason that he submitted to the Incarnation was to bring about salvation for lost sinners, but if was no Fall, no need to do such anymore
 

JonC

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Another point (not mentioned yet) is God would not be God without man falling short of His glory.

Although created in God's image man was still created flesh. Flesh and blood simply will not inherit the kingdom of God.

There are many hypothetical questions we could ask.


Would man have fallen had God chosen not to take him from where he was created and place him in the Garden (where God would dwell with him).

Would man be complete without needing a spiritual birth?

Was the Fall one step in God's creation process, like a seed that must fall to the ground (so that Christ would be the Firstborn among many brethern)?
 
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