Whose Church is it?

I'm glad you said this, for that's what I've been talking about as well.

Benjamin, thanks for your clarification as well.

 

Please accept my humble apology and I am so glad I got it wrong or I could of kept my mouth shut.

 

Bob, you left out my comma man, I was referring to the wolves, THEY being the ones to distrort the grace and give the boot instead of building up and supporting the weak, IOW's.

See my brain works kinda backwards when I write, I'm always trying to catch up and fill in as I'm already thinking of something else.

 

Well, I apologized and I do mean it. They accuse me of leaving a lot out too Benjamin but they don't know my mind moves faster than my fingers.

 

No problem Bob, it's even worse when you hit road bumps and jump tracks like me.

 

Bob, FTR, on the first page you deleted 2 posts, in which I responded to the first and then quoted of off the second before I saw you had deleted them both, as they just currently said "Too much..." and “again……” and out of courtesy I erased the quote since you had already deleted it along with the first. But now I see you went back and added a completely new response over 30 minutes later, in bold no less, after we were several posts ahead and with the first still completely gone and that makes it look like I was responding to another subject altogether. Now I didn’t save your post #6 which was part of what I first took issue and responded to, but in fairness this was your original post #8 which BTW to my surprise I thought turned around and put on me the very thing I felt you espousing in your deleted #6 post:

No wonder all the confusion.

Not holding a grudge, but just wanted to clear that up cuz it makes me look out of wack.

 

Well, I hope it is ok now for I don't know what else to say.

 

Brother Tom and Bob are correct. The church rolls and membership need to be cleaned up. That has nothing to do with reaching out to the lost, asking them to Sunday School and Church, and praying the Lord brings them to salvation. This is a good thread, as it could have gone the route of another local church vs universal church debate, which always brings up communion.

The other level of the church aside from universal and local, is denominational. This one over the years has been abused. This has nothing to do with church membership as a side note. Why is it that in Acts 2, there is one church, which believers in one accord, one Spirit, and today, we have the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, (and all sects of it), plus over 900 Protestant (and Baptist for the landmarkers), and all of their subsets? Why is that? It is because I am right and you are wrong. (and vice versa). Which denomination is closest to the Truth? You dont know and I dont know. I am lead to think the denomination I serve in is as close as is possible. No doubt you think your denomination is the same. The bottom line is look at what fallen man has done to one church, and most of the ones we have are pathetic.

One Spirit indwells us all. What happened?

 

The Lord gave Moses these words in the latter part of Exodus 20:24:

If the Pastor is not submitted fully to preaching the inerrant and infallible Word of God (if the preacher does not preach against sin for fear of offending), God's name is not recorded in that church. God will not endorse the preaching of that which is against Hie Divine nature or His Holy Word.

 

Good post saturneptune I think you made some great points.

SFIC, I believe you got to the root of the discussion, inerrant and infallible Word of God seems to be interpreted different by different people. Using this board for example, we can see how one verse gives a different message depending on the reader. Who is right? Who is wrong? Should the body fight against the body because you don't believe exactly like another? I think saturneptune expounded the root when they said,;

 

I think he was fairly solid... Paul pretty much confirms what he taught.

Why different preachers? Why different denominations?

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

Now let's watch God build...

10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Now that we have a foundation, let's discuss what goes on the foundation;

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

So most of all, make sure it's fire proof (solid in the word of God). And in the end, let's see how we'll give an account;

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Curios, what part did you not agree with?

 

No, no, your original post said, "I didn't agree with all of it, but that was partly his point"

Sounds like he may have purposely went into area's of controversy. He would almost have to if he wanted to make his point. I was more looking at where he went as opposed to which you believed or not. Sounded like an intriguing sermon.