Why Are SDAs Allowed To Post?

[DHK]

I believe God will bring all His "chosen ones" to Salvation.

I believe Albert Mohler answers the question you posed in the following:

You can't choose to change pilots in mid-flight, that is change the topic.
A Catholic, believing what the RCC teaches, no more goes to heaven, then a Muslim believing what the Koran teaches. They both are religions of works. Works do not save. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ. There must be faith. One is justified by faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1).

 

[OldRegular]

How many were spared at Sodom and Gomorrah?

Lot and his daughters!

Flood of Noah?

Scripture gives no indication of the spiritual condition of those who perished in the Flood!

This does not necessarily mean all others were lost. One could certainly claim that their works were burned/destroyed. However, these events sure seem to have the wrath of God evident. The wrath of God does not come on His children, although they can certainly be chastised and lose rewards.

I agree that the wrath of God does not come on His children but the chastening of God does. It is a fact though that the Children of God are not spared the tragedy of natural disasters or other tragedies of living in a fallen world.

It is possible for millions to be sincerely wrong. The consequences of being wrong about salvation can be eternally fatal. See Mt. 7:21-23. Jesus told this religious group to depart--He never knew them. It is possible to be doing apparently good works and be lost.

God will bring all His elect to salvation!

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of The Living God".

I could not agree more!

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

He Will!

 

[OldRegular]

You can't choose to change pilots in mid-flight, that is change the topic.
A Catholic, believing what the RCC teaches, no more goes to heaven, then a Muslim believing what the Koran teaches. They both are religions of works. Works do not save. Salvation is by grace through faith in Christ. There must be faith. One is justified by faith in Christ. (Romans 5:1).

I did not change pilots or the topic. I said nothing about Muslims, Buddhists, or any other religion in my initial post.

There is no doubt that Christians are sometimes disobedient and may stray from the path. There is no doubt that many Christian denominations have what I consider a distorted interpretation of Scripture. There is no doubt that many Christian groups have added to the Biblical teaching of Salvation by Grace alone.

That being said I strongly believe in the Doctrines of Grace, what some call Calvinism. I find it impossible to believe that, among a billion or so Roman Catholics, the hundreds of thousands of Eastern Orthodox, and the many in other cults, God has not chosen many to salvation in Jesus Christ.

You brought up the subject of Muslims and I responded.

 

[DHK]

I did not change pilots or the topic. I said nothing about Muslims, Buddhists, or any other religion in my initial post.

You brought up the subject of Muslims and I responded.

The change of topic was your quoting of Mohler in answer to my post.
He said:

One of the most troubling aspects of the disaster in South Asia is the death of infants and young children.

But that is not the topic. The topic here has nothing to do with the salvation of children. That is a different scenario.
Your original statement had to do with salvation in the RCC and possibly other cults. You found it hard to believe that God would not have some of his elect among them. I disagree, just as I disagree that there would be any of his elect among the Muslims. I use Islam as an example.

 

[OldRegular]

The change of topic was your quoting of Mohler in answer to my post.
He said:

But that is not the topic. The topic here has nothing to do with the salvation of children. That is a different scenario.

Your original statement had to do with salvation in the RCC and possibly other cults. You found it hard to believe that God would not have some of his elect among them. I disagree, just as I disagree that there would be any of his elect among the Muslims. I use Islam as an example.

Some years ago I read a most interesting treatise by a British thermodynamicist and Christian, Roy E. Peacock, entitled A Brief History of Eternity. In that little book he told the following:

After the death of the great French mathematician Blaise Pascal a paper was found sewn into the lining of his coat, transferred apparently from coat to coat through the years. Pascal wrote:

God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob, not of philosophers and scholars. Certitude. Certitude. Joy. Feeling. Peace. God of Jesus Christ. My God and thy God. ‘Thy God shall be my God.’ Forgetfulness of the world and of everything except God. He is to be found only by the ways taught by the Gospel. Greatness of the soul of man. ‘Righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee, but I have known Thee.’ Joy joy, joy, tears of joy.... Total submission to Jesus Christ.​

Sounds almost like a Baptist doesn't he?

Pascal was a Roman Catholic and in his later years became associated with a movement in The Roman Catholic Communion that emphasized the Doctrines of Grace rather then "freewill".

 

[OldRegular]

The change of topic was your quoting of Mohler in answer to my post.
He said:

But that is not the topic. The topic here has nothing to do with the salvation of children. That is a different scenario.

Your original statement had to do with salvation in the RCC and possibly other cults. You found it hard to believe that God would not have some of his elect among them. I disagree, just as I disagree that there would be any of his elect among the Muslims. I use Islam as an example.

You are entitled to believe that all Roman Catholics, and all other than Baptists, are bound for hell if you so choose. However, I do not believe that God has abdicated His role as: Judge of all the earth. just yet!

And I like Mohler. He makes more sense than most!

 

[Rippon]

Pascal was a Roman Catholic and in his later years became associated with a movement in The Roman Catholic Communion that emphasized the Doctrines of Grace rather then "freewill".

Yes,Jansenism. It was an Augustian order that was against the teachings of the Jesuits. Jansenism was called the despisied name of Calvinism by the Roman Catholic authorities. Port-Royal,France was its domain. I have referenced them before. Their Calvinistic teachings were certainly not mainstream Roman Catholicism.

 

[OldRegular]

Yes,Jansenism. It was an Augustian order that was against the teachings of the Jesuits. Jansenism was called the despisied name of Calvinism by the Roman Catholic authorities. Port-Royal,France was its domain. I have referenced them before. Their Calvinistic teachings were certainly not mainstream Roman Catholicism.

I had read of Pascal's deep faith years ago when first I read A Brief History of Eternity but did not read of the Jansenism movement until I looked at some biographical info this weekend. I could surmise that his remarkable expression of faith is the consequence of understanding that Salvation is all of God; but I could be wrong. Pascal was a remarkable man and remarkably brilliant!

The book I mentioned by Peacock points out the deep Christian faith of many of those who advanced mathematics and science in the 17th-19th centuries.

 

[prophet]

Gen 6:5-8
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
(KJV)
Scripture has this to say about the spiritual condition of pre-flood man.

 

[OldRegular]

Gen 6:5-8
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
(KJV)
Scripture has this to say about the spiritual condition of pre-flood man.

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Why did Noah find grace, unmerited favor, in the sight of God?

The passage you quoted does not indicate that ever living person, other than Noah and his family, was spiritually dead and condemned to hell. It is simply a general statement about the state of the population. God could say the same thing about the world today.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Why did Noah find grace, unmerited favor, in the sight of God?

The passage you quoted does not indicate that ever living person, other than Noah and his family, was spiritually dead and condemned to hell. It is simply a general statement about the state of the population. God could say the same thing about the world today.

So you insinuate there are exceptions??

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I find it impossible to believe that, among a billion or so Roman Catholics, the hundreds of thousands of Eastern Orthodox, and the many in other cults, God has not chosen many to salvation in Jesus Christ.

I find it unbelievable and humanly impossible that, among billions and billions of rejects and reprobate God has chosen me to salvation in Jesus Christ.

That's what's astonishing about Election and God's grace. EVERYTHING ELSE is simple spiritual mathematics and cause and consequence logic.

 

[OldRegular]

So you insinuate there are exceptions??

Exceptions to what?

 

[OldRegular]

I find it unbelievable and humanly impossible that, among billions and billions of rejects and reprobate God has chosen me to salvation in Jesus Christ.

That's what's astonishing about Election and God's grace. EVERYTHING ELSE is simple spiritual mathematics and cause and consequence logic.

Matthew 10:25, 26
25. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26. But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

 

[OldRegular]

I often wonder why if God can cause a person to receive Jesus Christ as Lord, why doesn't He in the same fashion cause them to believe all truth concerning accurate Christian doctrine?

I frequently wonder the same thing and I have no answer!