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Why Are Sinners Told to “Seek the Lord”?

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Revmitchell

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There you go with your judgemental attitude :rolleyes:

And HOW do you know that I don't care???

This is complete rubbish

Maybe you do but your posts do not give indication. Just in talking with me all you have focused on is saying what is true. You have others who seem to perceive your posts as less than caring. Maybe you do and maybe you dont but I can tell you that your response to them has only been defensive.

I stopped replying and engaging many posts because I did not want to get drug into the mud by other people similar to your posts. But I am nobody you do it as you please.
 

SavedByGrace

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Maybe you do but your posts do not give indication. Just in talking with me all you have focused on is saying what is true. You have others who seem to perceive your posts as less than caring. Maybe you do and maybe you dont but I can tell you that your response to them has only been defensive.

I stopped replying and engaging many posts because I did not want to get drug into the mud by other people similar to your posts. But I am nobody you do it as you please.

Thanks. Give your keyboard a rest
 

Reformed1689

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God know ALL things, and therefore knows the elect, so WHY will He call even the non-elect, knowing that they cannot respond? this makes God INSINCERE!

try again
You obviously do not understand the nature of God. He demands holiness and obedience. Men do not want this. But He still calls them to it because his holiness demands it. This also makes them without excuse. They know the truth but do not want the truth.
 

SavedByGrace

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You obviously do not understand the nature of God. He demands holiness and obedience. Men do not want this. But He still calls them to it because his holiness demands it. This also makes them without excuse. They know the truth but do not want the truth.

CALLS them to do exactly what???
 

Reformed1689

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Tell me what is ungodly in speaking the truth?

I hate no one on here or anyway else. But I do hate the LIES on salvation that reformed theology teaches. When they think that it is ok to pervert what the Bible actually says.

Thanks for your time in writing. May the Lord give us all His wisdom
You say lies about salvation? We believe that whosever believes will be saved. Where is the lie?
 

SavedByGrace

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To repent, and believe and to submit to Him as Lord.

here is the foolishness of your system!

you say that God calls the non-elect to repent and belive. BUT, you also say that repentance and faith are both GIFTS given only to the elect. BOTH cannot be right!
 

SavedByGrace

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Why can both not be right?

If faith and repentance both gifts that God gives only to the elect. Then this means that He has not given them to the non elect.

How then can God require them to call on Him and seek Him for their salvation?

As they are not part of the elect they simply cannot repent or believe.

This is reformed theology
 

Reformed1689

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If faith and repentance both gifts that God gives only to the elect. Then this means that He has not given them to the non elect.

How then can God require them to call on Him and seek Him for their salvation?

As they are not part of the elect they simply cannot repent or believe.

This is reformed theology
They don't want to, that is the point. He changes the heart/desires of the elect. There is no problem here.
 

Iconoclast

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Thanks. Give your keyboard a rest

If faith and repentance both gifts that God gives only to the elect. Then this means that He has not given them to the non elect.

How then can God require them to call on Him and seek Him for their salvation?

As they are not part of the elect they simply cannot repent or believe.

This is reformed theology

All men are responsible to worship God.
All men are responsible to seek the True God.

Yet they do not seek Him because they are bound and love sin.

The command to repent and believe, to seek Him, is preached to all.
Once again, God uses means, preaching, teaching, prayer, to urge sinners to seek Him. Why do you not understand this?
 

agedman

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If faith and repentance both gifts that God gives only to the elect. Then this means that He has not given them to the non elect.

How then can God require them to call on Him and seek Him for their salvation?

As they are not part of the elect they simply cannot repent or believe.

This is reformed theology

God did not turn the unbeliever away, they did that themself.

This is the opening statements of John who was the "disciple who Jesus loved."
9The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world.
So EVERY person is given the light, but what is the reaction to the light?

10He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.​

Your answer for your question then is found in the above passage.
People turn away, it is not in their nature not to turn away. Even His own - the elect, turn away.

So, what happens? If one is to receive Him, believe on His name, and they CANNOT come by birth right, by the desire, or by the will, how then do some respond to the general call to be saved?

The answer can only be, "all the Father gives me, will come to me..."

Because, "Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.”

Humankind always has desired to conform God to what they think is the way it is, but God's ways and thoughts are not anywhere close to the extremely limited sight humans have been given.
 

SavedByGrace

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So preaching saves people? Pretty sure that isn't in Scripture.

you should read your Bible more, and less Reformed books!

For everyone, "whoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved." How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without PREACHING? And how shall they PREACH unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who PREACH the gospel of peace and bring glad tidings of good things!" Romans 10:13-15
 

SavedByGrace

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They don't want to, that is the point. He changes the heart/desires of the elect. There is no problem here.

you still just don't get it?

WHY, you the Bible require that the NON ELECT LOST, SEEK after God, and CALL on Him for salvation, when as your theology says, they cannot?

Does not God know all things?
 
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