Why are some posters consumed with politics

[Roy]

I come to this forum and see some posters who cannot accept what God has ordained. They keep posting thread upon thread, bashing God's ordained leader of the United States while desperately trying to prop up a former leader whom God has dethroned. What causes Christians to be so consumed with the politics of worldly kingdoms?

The national Democrat leaders in D.C. are as vile and corrupt as Jezebel and Ahab were in the northern kingdom of Israel. If God ordained the act of piracy that hijacked the national leadership in the last election, it was likely to punish us, just as he punished ancient Israel, by allowing their destruction. It could also be for the purpose of unmasking evil so that concerned citizens (hopefully yourself included) would know where to direct their efforts.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I know. I was curious if anyone would catch the dry humor in my post....

Yep.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The national Democrat leaders in D.C. are as vile and corrupt as Jezebel and Ahab were in the northern kingdom of Israel. If God ordained the act of piracy that hijacked the national leadership in the last election, it was likely to punish us, just as he punished ancient Israel, by allowing their destruction. It could also be for the purpose of unmasking evil so that concerned citizens (hopefully yourself included) would know where to direct their efforts.

The Clintons are the Jezebel and Ahab of the Dems, though they have some other equally vile combos.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

In terms of not just blindly trusting and obeying news sources, I always encourage that with going to primary source materials which I try to post with every response to a news story that I make here, regardless of where that news source came from. It would help improve critical reasoning for people of all political stripes and backgrounds to do that with the news from sources they "trust". It just takes a bit of effort that most folks are not willing to do, especially when what they find goes against their preconcieved ideas of the world.

We have been through this before, but could not come to a consensus precisely because of your insistence that certain unnamed sources were trustworthy, but were unwilling to post some for examination. Practically every link you post contains definite bias.

My own insistence is that no source can be counted absolutely trustworthy, that all must be vetted every time precisely because bias is unavoidable.

Asking someone to make a basic paradigm shift in their worldview is asking more than most are willing to make without a flood of evidence, some because of indoctrination, others because the evidence overwhelmingly supports their view.

One example we have encountered is the nonsensical idea that the CCP should somehow be commended for its role in the COVID pandemic. That notion is preposterous, ludicrous, right up there with the suggestion that Iran and North Korea deserve the Nobel Peace Prize for not yet nuking another country, or that a serial killer at large should be commended for not yet having killed even more victims.

 

[Alcott]

Q: Did Jesus "bash God's ordained leader" when He called him a fox?

Is Jesus God?

Yes.
Now answer my question.

 

[Gold Dragon]

We have been through this before, but could not come to a consensus precisely because of your insistence that certain unnamed sources were trustworthy, but were unwilling to post some for examination. Practically every link you post contains definite bias.

My own insistence is that no source can be counted absolutely trustworthy, that all must be vetted every time precisely because bias is unavoidable.

I didn't think I needed to explain what a primary source is but it sounds like a concept that is foreign to you.

A primary source of information is the original speaker. A secondary source is someone who quotes or talks about that primary source. A tertiary source is when someone quotes the secondary source, etc. All of us have played the game broken telephone as a child right? The further you get from the original source the more distorted the information gets.

News sources are always at a minimum secondary sources of information since they report about what someone else said, provide some quote, often out of context and try to write a story around it. Many modern news sites are often tertiary or quaternary sources of information because they usually quote from other news sites and not from the original speaker.

Looking at the primary source is saying go back to the original speaker. So if an article is talking about a politician, find their speech in full context on something like C-span or a transcript. If it is talking about a science article, find the paper from the journal. If it is talking about a court case, find the court documents. If it is quoting a book or an author, read the book. If it is quoting a statistic, look it up on the online database. In our digital world now, many primary sources are available online in public but most folks are not willing to look for it.

One example we have encountered is the nonsensical idea that the CCP should somehow be commended for its role in the COVID pandemic.

For example, your comment above is a secondary source about things that I have said in the past.

Here is the primary source ... the actual thread where we talked about China and Covid19 so folks can read for themselves what I actually said.

How to Tell if We're Beating Covid19

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Sometimes a man hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. No man who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God. Ultimately men must decide the kingdom to which they will belong, either the World or the kingdom of God. We need to be not of the world, just as Christ is not of the world. But it is a trap that snares many.

Amen

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have no idea what you are referring to. However, former President Trump displays classic narcissism.

Pathological best describes it

 

[Dave G]

I come to this forum and see some posters who cannot accept what God has ordained.

I see that a lot, especially on Christian forums.

They keep posting thread upon thread, bashing God's ordained leader of the United States

And other leaders.
But the Bible says not to speak evil of men, and that there are those who are not afraid to speak evil of "dignities" ( dignitaries, or government officials ) and they despise the government.

What causes Christians to be so consumed with the politics of worldly kingdoms?

Honestly?
I think that most professing believers have got it into their head ( by those who have claimed to be God's pastors, etc. ) that their efforts in this world will somehow make a difference.
In the long run, they won't.
We're outnumbered at least 100 to 1, if not 1,000 to 1.

Plus there's the fact that this isn't our world...
The next one is.

 

[Dave G]

Tell me, should John the Baptist not spoken out against Herod, saying it was unlawful for him to have his brother's wife?

But John the Baptist never condemned Herod's decisions while ruling over the nation;
He condemned Herod for violating God's Law.

As a Jew, Herod fell under the obligation of obeying it, and he wasn't.
As one of the Lord's prophets, John the Baptist was reminding him of it.

 

[Dave G]

Every poster on this thread has gotten into arguments.
Should stop that too, eh?

Yes.

Theological arguments are separate from political ones, right?

Contending for the faith once delivered to the saints can be done without arguing.
The problem is, it's hard to do.

 

[Dave G]

Q: Did Jesus "bash God's ordained leader" when He called him a fox?

That was the Lord Jesus, the one who created all things;
We're not Him, and He has a set of rules for us to follow.
Romans 12,
Titus 3:1

...and many others.

 

[Scott Downey]

But John the Baptist never condemned Herod's decisions while ruling over the nation;
He condemned Herod for violating God's Law.

As a Jew, Herod fell under the obligation of obeying it, and he wasn't.
As one of the Lord's prophets, John the Baptist was reminding him of it.

Democrats violate God's laws daily.
And prophets spoke judgement against secular world powers, especially when they persecuted God's people.

 

[Scott Downey]

God says here in response to the outcry against the sodomites and people of the cities of the plain, He will come down in judgement of them.
That outcry would be many who had prayed to the Lord for justice against them.

Genesis 18:19-21
New King James Version
19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.”

20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave,

21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

 

[Gold Dragon]

God says here in response to the outcry against the sodomites and people of the cities of the plain, He will come down in judgement of them.
That outcry would be many who had prayed to the Lord for justice against them.

Genesis 18:19-21
New King James Version
19 For I have known him, in order that he may command his children and his household after him, that they keep the way of the Lord, to do righteousness and justice, that the Lord may bring to Abraham what He has spoken to him.”

20 And the Lord said, “Because the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grave,

21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me; and if not, I will know.”

And even in Sodom and Gomorrah we see a Father who wants to forgive and show mercy.

Then he said, “Let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak but once more: Suppose ten should be found there?”

And He said, “I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.”

 

[Scott Downey]

God can ordain things to come to pass in judgement, and still have His people speak against the ones commiting outrageous sinful acts.

and here in heaven the saints still cry out to God against their persecutors and killers
So apparently people in heaven have not forgotten how they were treated by the wicked.. while alive on earth.

We see here both the judgement and predetermination of God in the things that He ordains to occur.

9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

 

[Guvnuh]

I am first a citizen of heaven.
God in His divine sovereignty placed me in these United States. God expects me to be a good citizen.
As a good citizen Of the USA I will voice my displeasure , my opinions and exercise what rights I have while I’m here. It shall never be an obsession but it the exercise may be done with some passion.

 

[AustinC]

Q: Did Jesus "bash God's ordained leader" when He called him a fox?



Yes.
Now answer my question.

My question answered your question. Your response answered your own question.
God condemns sinners of which both you and I are sinners. We are sinners whom God chose to redeem through the death, burial and resurrection of his son.

 

[AustinC]

Democrats violate God's laws daily.
And prophets spoke judgement against secular world powers, especially when they persecuted God's people.

All humans violate God's law. This is why we all fall short of God's glory.

 

[Aaron]

I come to this forum and see some posters who cannot accept what God has ordained. They keep posting thread upon thread, bashing God's ordained leader of the United States while desperately trying to prop up a former leader whom God has dethroned. What causes Christians to be so consumed with the politics of worldly kingdoms?

Why are some posters consumed with virtue-signaling?