Why are some posters consumed with politics

[777]

Just saying not to be judgmental and avoid the political section is like telling someone who asks why so many Christians are consumed with pornography to mind his business and just stay away from the porn-loving Christians.

well, right here we have a problem. He would be the Christian that posted pornography telling other Christians to stop posting pornography and wondering why they were obsessed with pornography. Can't see the nose on his face.

They're both neverTrumpers and wannabee psychiatrists. TDS is pathological too, you know.

 

[kyredneck]

news to me what Biden and the Dems in general are now doing. It was a foregone conclusion.

Agree. No surprises so far. When I think about it too much I have nothing but dread for what's coming.

Some things happening around the world are worse yet parallel, and may foreshadow our future.

Duh, yea. This is all about Globalism. Trump attempted to pull us out of it, the Globalists fought him tooth and nail for four years and it appears they have prevailed.

This does not mean the forces of evil should not be resisted. And it is worthwhile to point out just how bad the world is. Otherwise, we might get too complacent and imagine it is home. It ain’t.

It's all about balance, ain't it?

 

[JonC]

That's right, it wasn't. Our ability to worship as we please has never been under the kind of constant attack that we are under today.

In our nation, you are right.

But historically Christians were not so pathetic that their main concern was their "ability to worship as [they] please".

They held a higher view of God and a lower view of the world (to include self-centered entitlement).

 

[Dave G]

Well, I hate to break this to you, but this is the News and Current events forum. Politics makes up a huge proportion of the daily news.

I agree, but why, if this isn't our world, are Christians so consumed with it?

I suggest that, if it bothers you, just stay away from a forum you know is going to have a lot of politics in it.

I would suggest that if a forum claims to be Christian, then perhaps it shouldn't even have a section that opens the door to the possibility of openly criticizing public officials.
God says it's wrong.

Unless, of course, your real purpose is just to judge your Christian brothers and place yourself on a pedestal as an example of the perfect Christian.

Personally speaking ( as I cannot speak for Austin ), that wouldn't be my purpose at all.
But, since judgment begins at the house of God, then what I'd be doing is reminding my brothers and sisters that ours is not the place to criticize those whom the Lord has ordained to be in office.

Plainly stated,
Both Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump deserve the same respect that Caesar, Felix, Festus and Agrippa did in Paul's day.

 

[JonC]

well, right here we have a problem. He would be the Christian that posted pornography telling other Christians to stop posting pornography and wondering why they were obsessed with pornography. Can't see the nose on his face.

They're both neverTrumpers and wannabee psychiatrists. TDS is pathological too, you know.

But here is a miscalculation many Trumper make.

There are Christians who are not political. Some (like me) may have voted for Trump both times but their hope is elsewhere.

They do not have Trump or Biden derangement syndrome and instead devote themselves the best they are able to serving God.

 

[kyredneck]

I would suggest that if a forum claims to be Christian, then perhaps it shouldn't even have a section that opens the door to even the possibility of openly criticizing public officials.

So far, you still live in a free country that still allows a board such as this to have political/news forums, and, so far, each and every member of said board still has the right to choose whether to participate on said political/news forums.

Are you advocating censorship in the guise of religion?

No one is twisting your arm to read the forums, you know.

 

[777]

But here is a miscalculation many Trumper make.

There are Christians who are not political. Some (like me) may have voted for Trump both times but their hope is elsewhere.

They do not have Trump or Biden derangement syndrome and instead devote themselves the best they are able to serving God.

Well, yeah, it's always best to have trust and hope in God rather that some governmental entity, party or person. You may not have TDS or whatever it's called for people that hate and complain about everything Biden says and does but the OP has an advanced case of TDS. He ran around calling Trump a narcissist and his supporters part of a cult of personality just like you'd expect to hear out of some PMSMBC hack and his mind was nailed shut. Don't need lectures on Christian etiquette from someone like that.

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I agree, but why, if this isn't our world, are Christians so consumed with it?

I would suggest that if a forum claims to be Christian, then perhaps it shouldn't even have a section that opens the door to the possibility of openly criticizing public officials.
God says it's wrong.

Personally speaking ( as I cannot speak for Austin ), that wouldn't be my purpose at all.
But, since judgment begins at the house of God, then what I'd be doing is reminding my brothers and sisters that ours is not the place to criticize those whom the Lord has ordained to be in office.

Plainly stated,
Mr. Biden deserves the same respect that Caesar, Felix, Festus and Agrippa did in Paul's day.

If you must take the tack that the Lord ordained them to hold office, then shouldn't you also embrace the terms? The USA was founded, ordained by the Lord from your own viewpoint, on the principle that the government is of "we, the people" and holds elections for the purpose. Every officeholder is beholden to "we, the people" and subject to their criticism and even judgment, albeit indirectly.

If anything, Christians have a greater responsibility than the average citizen to point out what is right and what is wrong in the nation. You could renounce your citizenship, if you think it right. But you have no biblical example of that, do you? Certainly not the apostle Paul. But then perhaps China or Russia or Iran or North Korea would take you, and perhaps you would finally find your mission field.

 

[AustinC]

First, God did not ordain the evil that is upon us, it came by lies and cheating. Second, your biased hypocrisy is blatantly obvious. Third, because our God given rights to freedom starts with free speech, not only this is being violated by secular Progressive Globalists and Big Tech rulers, but the attack on Christians/Christianity/Liberty is going much deeper:

Gab CEO:
"Christians need to start acting like a collective and unified tribe. “Muh individualism” is really just the sin of selfishness and a trap laid by the enemy to divide us and make us weak. Tribalism is human nature and as Christians we are God’s Chosen People.

We are the tribe with the Creator of the Universe as our King, it’s time to start acting like it. Our tribe has no bloodline, racial, class, geographic, or other boundaries. We are united in Christ.

Do business exclusively with Christians. Have a Christian doctor, lawyer, baker, etc. The left is strong because they unite collectively even though they all hate one another. Other religious groups are strong specifically because they are tribal and united. If Christians unite collectively around our tribe in love we can and will reclaim the West for the glory of God."

True Patriot:
"Two different banks have now canceled Trump.

Let that sink in.

Conservatives soon won't be able to have money as banks will ban them for their political opinions."

Gab CEO:
"We’ve had this happen to us too. We will eventually buy a bank and run our own. I’m not kidding. Christians need to build our own economy from the ground up. Free markets naturally follow free speech."

True Patriot:
"Every time I hear Joe Biden talk about systemic racism I think to myself, "Joe, you ARE the system!"

You can stick your head in the sand, call it ordained, sell your propaganda to the weak fools and call it the Christian way all you like, but I call it something else, ...starting with evil.

To ordain is to allow. God certainly has allowed evil to happen, therefore he has ordained that evil exists. We see in Habakkuk that God even raises up wicked nations to accomplish His will.

If you cannot accept this truth, then you have to go to God and repent because God has ordained Joe Biden be President of the United States. You need to accept what God is doing. God is in control, not you.

 

[JonC]

Well, yeah, it's always best to have trust and hope in God rather that some governmental entity, party or person. You may not have TDS or whatever it's called for people that hate and complain about everything Biden says and does but the OP has an advanced case of TDS. He ran around calling Trump a narcissist and his supporters part of a cult of personality just like you'd expect to hear out of some PMSMBC hack and his mind was nailed shut. Don't need lectures on Christian etiquette from someone like that.

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Well...I do believe Trump had an ego problem and is a classic narcissist. But to be honest that was part of his appeal. I do not think he could have got done what he got done without a big ego and perhaps unhealthy narcissistic tendencies.

And I am sure there are cult like people on both sides....there always are.

 

[Gold Dragon]

People throw around the term narcissist a lot. Here are the DSMV symptoms for narcissistic personality disorder.


What are the DSM-5 diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)?

• A grandiose sense of self-importance

• A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

• A belief that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions

• A need for excessive admiration

• A sense of entitlement

• Interpersonally exploitive behavior

• A lack of empathy

• Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her

• A demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Well...I do believe Trump had an ego problem and is a classic narcissist. But to be honest that was part of his appeal. I do not think he could have got done what he got done without a big ego and perhaps unhealthy narcissistic tendencies.

And I am sure there are cult like people on both sides....there always are.

Hmmm. Had. Is that a tacit admission Trump is now cured? To imagine that Trump has a bigger ego than the Dems, or that their lockstep cult hasn't millions upon millions of followers, would be to qualify for a top fantasy award. That false narrative is certainly popular though.

Yes, it was rather amusing to watch those hypocrites being beaten at their own game for a while. To see them screech like banshees every time Trump tweaked them with a tweet and become so unhinged they completely outed themselves, their deep corruption, and fake news, did produce a certain satisfaction.

 

[Benjamin]

To ordain is to allow. God certainly has allowed evil to happen, therefore he has ordained that evil exists. We see in Habakkuk that God even raises up wicked nations to accomplish His will.

If you cannot accept this truth, then you have to go to God and repent because God has ordained Joe Biden be President of the United States. You need to accept what God is doing. God is in control, not you.

FYI, IMO, you have a disturbing and theologically fatalistic view of God’s attributes and abuse your doctrines of determinism to justify your own preferred unconscionable political short-comings.

Me, I will put my faith in that God is Only Good and Truth and will bring about what is right despite this evil that the men in this world have brought upon us. Any repentance of my despair in this matter of the corrupt leadership our country is now facing will be that my growing affliction of BDS will be tempered with justified reasoning.

 

[JonC]

Hmmm. Had. Is that a tacit admission Trump is now cured? To imagine that Trump has a bigger ego than the Dems, or that their lockstep cult hasn't millions upon millions of followers, would be to qualify for a top fantasy award. That false narrative is certainly popular though.

Yes, it was rather amusing to watch those hypocrites being beaten at their own game for a while. To see them screech like banshees every time Trump tweaked them with a tweet and become so unhinged they completely outed themselves, their deep corruption, and fake news, did produce a certain satisfaction.

It was refreshing watching a non-politician mess with the status quo. But I disagree about a false narrative.

Which Democrat do you believe could stand on his or her own (without being a puppet of the DNC)?

President Trump did. That is not a false narrative.

 

[Gold Dragon]

But you didn't seem to understand whether the primary source would be the data or the scientist reporting about the data. I'll take it to be the latter

The word source means where information comes from. A primary source for a news article is the person or group they are quoting. Data never exists in a vacuum. Someone had to compile that data. That is the source. Sometimes they will just publish raw data but most groups try to write something (journal article, press release, website) to explain how they got their data, their methodology, their conclusions and what sources they themselves used. This then allows others reading that data to critique and judge for themselves how valid that data may be. It also allows us to then try and reproduce any experiment and confirm the results.

When looking at data from sources that have historically been untrustworthy with transparency of data like some authoritarian countries with their health statistics, we should definitely have a particularly skeptical view. When compiling data across countries, you use the best data you have available to you, often with the caveat that all of them have some level of error. When there is evidence that the data for a country is so errorneous as to be unusable and no alternative source exists, that data should be removed from the analysis.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

It was refreshing watching a non-politician mess with the status quo. But I disagree about a false narrative.

Which Democrat do you believe could stand on his or her own (without being a puppet of the DNC)?

President Trump did. That is not a false narrative.

Trump's ability to stand against the fake news, hypocrisy, and other corruption of the Dems cannot be attributed solely to ego. That's far too simplistic. And Trump wasn't alone. But I certainly didn't mean any Dem would stand against corruption, as they are that corruption.

The false narrative mentioned would be limited and twofold: that Trump is more egotistical than the Dems, and that their lockstep cult isn't populated by many millions. The devious egotism of the Dems, who believe they deserve all the power they can steal, rivals that of the devil himself and they have deceived millions upon millions.

 

[Alcott]

God certainly has allowed evil to happen, therefore he has ordained that evil exists....God has ordained Joe Biden be President of the United States.

Agreed.

 

[JonC]

Trump's ability to stand against the fake news, hypocrisy, and other corruption of the Dems cannot be attributed solely to ego. That's far too simplistic. And Trump wasn't alone. But I certainly didn't mean any Dem would stand against corruption, as they are that corruption.

The false narrative mentioned would be limited and twofold: that Trump is more egotistical than the Dems, and that their lockstep cult isn't populated by many millions. The devious egotism of the Dems, who believe they deserve all the power they can steal, rivals that of the devil himself and they have deceived millions upon millions.

I do not know what the Democrats think. I believe his accomplishments have a lot to do with his ego. In my experience those who excell in "type A" areas of life (I am thinking big business and military leadership) have a fairly large ego and it serves them well.

You may disagree with that assessment, but it is not fair to simply dismiss it as a false narrative.

 

[percho]

In our nation, you are right.

But historically Christians were not so pathetic that their main concern was their "ability to worship as [they] please".

They held a higher view of God and a lower view of the world (to include self-centered entitlement).

I thought that was why the Puritans came to America.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

The word source means where information comes from. A primary source for a news article is the person or group they are quoting. Data never exists in a vacuum. Someone had to compile that data. That is the source. Sometimes they will just publish raw data but most groups try to write something (journal article, press release, website) to explain how they got their data, their methodology, their conclusions and what sources they themselves used. This then allows others reading that data to critique and judge for themselves how valid that data may be. It also allows us to then try and reproduce any experiment and confirm the results.

When looking at data from sources that have historically been untrustworthy with transparency of data like some authoritarian countries with their health statistics, we should definitely have a particularly skeptical view. When compiling data across countries, you use the best data you have available to you, often with the caveat that all of them have some level of error. When there is evidence that the data for a country is so errorneous as to be unusable and no alternative source exists, that data should be removed from the analysis.

This is appreciated, but doesn't get to the heart of the matter, namely that politics skews reports considerably, and no source can be trusted without serious vetting.

Further, no one is obligated to accept data that hasn't been fully vetted. Accepting what one considers to be the best available data is a matter of judgment, which is bound to be skewed by prior political biases, which naturally generates suspicion.

In the case of this pandemic, the truth may not be available for a very long time, especially because of all the politicization. This is unfortunate but inevitable because of the source of the pandemic, the Chinese Communists, and their bedfellows, which includes many entities around the world.