Why Confession?

[GentleGospeller]

Your point?

Catholicism did not conquer. Paganism worked its way into the apostate churches and set up it's throne there, becoming, eventually, the Papacy.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

 

[Oseas3]

Catholicism did not conquer. Paganism worked its way into the apostate churches and set up it's throne there, becoming, eventually, the Papacy.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Yes, the birthplace, or the cradle of Antichrist, was the own Church, unfortunately, see how.

The Antichrist was born and rose up from the own Church-See how

Yes, the birthplace, or the cradle of Antichrist, was the own Church, unfortunately, see how. 1 John 2:v.18-19 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that...

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[Cathode]

Catholicism did not conquer. Paganism worked its way into the apostate churches and set up it's throne there, becoming, eventually, the Papacy.

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The only problem with that idea is the Roman pagans killed all the popes for the first 300 years, starting with Peter.

Why the Romans martyred them, because they wouldn’t apostatise.

Only Catholics died in the Roman persecutions in the Arenas. In fact all pagan Europe was conquered by Catholicism.
Protestantism had a completely depaganised Europe and British Iles before they existed, and it was all because Catholics brought them all to Christ.

It was Catholics that preserved the scriptures through so many horrific persecutions and martyrdoms.
It was Catholics that first determined and assembled the Canon of the Bible itself.

Where were protestants and Baptists in these times. Nowhere. What did they have to do with the preservation of the Scriptures and determining of the Bible. Nothing.

The easy believers showed up after the greatest work was done. Interpret scripture for yourself, the truth of them be damned.
Subjective Opinion is the whole of the Law according to them.

Man made churches appeared, forging their doctrines on subjective changeable human interpretations of Scripture hammer and tongs.

All traditions of men burning incense to their opinions.

“ Without the Catholic Church, we would have no Bible “ Professor Peter Flint, Baptist translator of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

“[N]or does it consist in this, that he should again falsely imagine, as being above this [fancied being], a Pleroma at one time supposed to contain thirty, and at another time an innumerable tribe of Aeons, as these teachers who are destitute of truly divine wisdom maintain; while the Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1:10,3 (A.D. 180).

“Concerning this Holy Catholic Church Paul writes to Timothy, ‘That thou mayest know haw thou oughtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth’” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures,18:25(A.D. 350).

“And if ever thou art sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord’s House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 18:23,26 (A.D. 350).

 

[Mikoo]

I wasn’t recounting Scripture

Not surprising. That is one of the last places most rc's look to answer questions about their doctrine/teachings.

but Church history,

Again. Not God's Word.

all these breakaway human traditions are traditions of rebellious men, you can see when these traditions of men began.

Yep. About 590AD when the rc denomination started.

Easy to spot them

Yep. TEACHINGS OF THE RC DENOMINATION:
The Catholic church is the one true church
Infallibility of the Catholic Church
Only the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture
The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
Sacred Tradition equal to scripture
Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works
The full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
Grace can be merited
Penance is necessary for salvation
Purgatory
Indulgences
Mary is Mediatrix
Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation
Mary delivers souls from death
Prayer to the saints
The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ

Just to name a few.

many times because they are named after their human founders.

The teachings were definitely founded by human men.

So. Once again. It was your personal opinion, based on your subjective interpretations of Scripture which led you to the rc denomination. A fact that you can not refute.

 

[MrW]

The Rock is Christ.

And there is no Apostolic priesthood. And no office of priest in the New Testament church.

Every believer is a saint, and every believer is a priest unto God, offering the sacrifices of praise unto God, the fruit of our lips.

Our one singular Priest is the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, no man is a priest to me other than He.

 

[Cathode]

Not surprising. That is one of the last places most rc's look to answer questions about their doctrine/teachings.

Again. Not God's Word.

Yep. About 590AD when the rc denomination started.

Yep. TEACHINGS OF THE RC DENOMINATION:
The Catholic church is the one true church
Infallibility of the Catholic Church
Only the Roman Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture
The Pope is the head of the church and has the authority of Christ
The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation
Sacred Tradition equal to scripture
Forgiveness of sins, salvation, is by faith and works
The full benefit of Salvation is only through the Roman Catholic Church
Grace can be merited
Penance is necessary for salvation
Purgatory
Indulgences
Mary is Mediatrix
Mary brings us the gifts of eternal salvation
Mary delivers souls from death
Prayer to the saints
The Communion elements become the actual body and blood of Christ

Just to name a few.

The teachings were definitely founded by human men.

So. Once again. It was your personal opinion, based on your subjective interpretations of Scripture which led you to the rc denomination. A fact that you can not refute.

The Catholic Church is right on all its doctrines, I looked into it.

“For heresies, and certain tenets of perversity, ensnaring souls and hurling them into the deep, have not sprung up except when good Scriptures are not rightly understood, and when that in them which is not rightly understood is rashly and boldly asserted. And so, dearly beloved, ought we very cautiously to hear those things for the understanding of which we are but little ones, and that, too, with pious heart and with trembling, as it is written, holding this rule of soundness, that we rejoice as in food in that which we have been able to understand, according to the faith with which we are imbued…” Augustine, On the Gospel of John, Homily XVIII:1 (A.D. 416).

Catholics don’t hold to private interpretations of Scripture, we conform our opinions to the traditional understanding of Scripture.

 

[Mikoo]

The Catholic Church is right on all its doctrines, I looked into it.

The rc denomination is wrong on many of its doctrines. I looked into it.

“For heresies, and certain tenets of perversity, ensnaring souls and hurling them into the deep, have not sprung up except when good Scriptures are not rightly understood, and when that in them which is not rightly understood is rashly and boldly asserted. And so, dearly beloved, ought we very cautiously to hear those things for the understanding of which we are but little ones, and that, too, with pious heart and with trembling, as it is written, holding this rule of soundness, that we rejoice as in food in that which we have been able to understand, according to the faith with which we are imbued…” Augustine, On the Gospel of John, Homily XVIII:1 (A.D. 416).

Is homily by Augustine God's Word?

Catholics don’t hold to private interpretations of Scripture,

Of course you do. Your personal opinion, based on your subjective interpretations of Scripture which led you to believe the rc denomination is what it claims to be. A fact that you can not refute.

we conform our opinions to the traditional understanding of Scripture.

Correct. Members of the rc denomination conform their opinions to the 'traditional understanding of Scripture' by men.
Christians conform their understanding of God's Word, as penned by men directly chosen by God to do so, with the guidance of The Holy Spirit, as promised to us in God's Word.

 

[Cathode]

The rc denomination is wrong on many of its doctrines. I looked into it.

Is homily by Augustine God's Word?

Of course you do. Your personal opinion, based on your subjective interpretations of Scripture which led you to believe the rc denomination is what it claims to be. A fact that you can not refute.

Correct. Members of the rc denomination conform their opinions to the 'traditional understanding of Scripture' by men.
Christians conform their understanding of God's Word, as penned by men directly chosen by God to do so, with the guidance of The Holy Spirit, as promised to us in God's Word.

You weren’t promised infallible interpretive guidance from reading the scriptures.

The Infallible guidance comes from hearing the Spoken Word of God which explains the Written Word of God.

 

[Mikoo]

You weren’t promised infallible interpretive guidance from reading the scriptures.

Neither were you and the men of your denomination. I believe God and His Word. The Holy Spirit guides His children. Not you or the men of your denomination.

The Infallible guidance

You mean the rc denomination's self-proclaimed 'infallible' guidance? Please.

comes from hearing the Spoken Word of God

Love how you rc guys add to the Word of God. Where in His Word (not the writings of the self-proclaimed 'infallible' men of your denomination) dose it say 'hearing the Spoken Word of God?

which explains the Written Word of God.

Faith comes from hearing the Word of God (Rom 10:17) not the 'explanation of 'the Written Word of God'. Good thing God tells us to check His Word to test what false teachers teach/write. The Holy Spirit helps us with that.
Thanks for your opinion based upon your go to 'word', the writings/teachings of the men of the rc denomination.

 

[Cathode]

Neither were you and the men of your denomination. I believe God and His Word. The Holy Spirit guides His children. Not you or the men of your denomination.

You mean the rc denomination's self-proclaimed 'infallible' guidance? Please.

Love how you rc guys add to the Word of God. Where in His Word (not the writings of the self-proclaimed 'infallible' men of your denomination) dose it say 'hearing the Spoken Word of God?

Faith comes from hearing the Word of God (Rom 10:17) not the 'explanation of 'the Written Word of God'. Good thing God tells us to check His Word to test what false teachers teach/write. The Holy Spirit helps us with that.
Thanks for your opinion based upon your go to 'word', the writings/teachings of the men of the rc denomination.

Mark 16:15 – Jesus commands the apostles to preach the Gospel to every creature. But Jesus did not want this preaching to stop after the apostles died, and yet the Bible was not compiled until four centuries later. The word of God was transferred orally.

Mark 3:14; 16:15 – Jesus commands the apostles to preach (not write) the gospel to the world. Jesus gives no commandment to the apostles to write, and gives them no indication that the oral apostolic word he commanded them to communicate would later die in the fourth century. If Jesus wanted Christianity to be limited to a book (which would be finalized four centuries later), wouldn’t He have said a word about it?

Luke 10:16 – He who hears you (not “who reads your writings”), hears me. The oral word passes from Jesus to the apostles to their successors by the gracious gifts of the Holy Spirit. This succession has been preserved in the Holy Catholic Church.

Luke 24:47 – Jesus explains that repentance and forgiveness of sins must be preached (not written) in Christ’s name to all nations. For Protestants to argue that the word of God is now limited to a book (subject to thousands of different interpretations) is to not only ignore Scripture, but introduce a radical theory about how God spreads His word which would have been unbelievable to the people at the time of Jesus.

There is a living Church that preaches with Christ’s Voice, not Luther or Calvin’s voice, or any of the other man made traditions that followed them.

“My sheep know my voice”

“ He who listens to you, listens to me “

When you listen to the Apostles and their successors, you are listening to Christ.

Christ’s Voice is Spoken through the Apostles and their successors, explaining the Written Word of God.

 

[Mikoo]

Mark 16:15 – Jesus commands the apostles to preach the Gospel to every creature. But Jesus did not want this preaching to stop after the apostles died, and yet the Bible was not compiled until four centuries later. The word of God was transferred orally.

Mark 3:14; 16:15 – Jesus commands the apostles to preach (not write) the gospel to the world. Jesus gives no commandment to the apostles to write, and gives them no indication that the oral apostolic word he commanded them to communicate would later die in the fourth century. If Jesus wanted Christianity to be limited to a book (which would be finalized four centuries later), wouldn’t He have said a word about it?

Luke 10:16 – He who hears you (not “who reads your writings”), hears me. The oral word passes from Jesus to the apostles to their successors by the gracious gifts of the Holy Spirit. This succession has been preserved in the Holy Catholic Church.

Luke 24:47 – Jesus explains that repentance and forgiveness of sins must be preached (not written) in Christ’s name to all nations. For Protestants to argue that the word of God is now limited to a book (subject to thousands of different interpretations) is to not only ignore Scripture, but introduce a radical theory about how God spreads His word which would have been unbelievable to the people at the time of Jesus.

There is a living Church that preaches with Christ’s Voice, not Luther or Calvin’s voice, or any of the other man made traditions that followed them.

Correct. It is the Body of Christ, which is His church (full of Born-Again believers) who continue to preach the Gospel.

“My sheep know my voice”

Yes we do!

“ He who listens to you, listens to me “

And we can 'listen' (with the Holy Spirit's help) to the actual Apostles, who were all hand-picked by God, because He so marvelously gave us His Word commanding ACTUAL men of God to write His Word down (as He had Moses write down the 10 commandments). Praise God!

When you listen to the Apostles

Correct. The real apostles, hand-picked by God, who He had write down His Words which we have today!

and their successors,

LOL. There are NO other Apostles hand-picked by God today.

you are listening to Christ.

Yes. God's Word, that He has given us by His hand-picked authors, which is contained in the Bible.

Christ’s Voice is Spoken through the Apostles

Correct! As explained above!

and their successors,

There are no more hand-picked Apostles of God living today.

explaining the Written Word of God.

That is one reason we have the Holy Spirit! Praise God!

The men of your denomination have not written one thing that is from God and is infallible!