Why? (Continued)

[supersoldier71]

Wouldn't you rather have a higher cal round to knock them down "One shot one kill" ....personally I do. The M14 can go through a wall of concrete, be used as a sniper rifle etc. Of course its heavy but the job gets done. Ive also accepted that the 9MM is an acceptable handgun, they have been training for years with that Beretta (gotta put 2 rounds in a guys scull) but I was trained early by my dad (career Army) that he much prefers a 45 round .... Boom, drop him, then drop the next guy.

Like a dog that is breed for a purpose, each gun has a purpose. I like bull breeds for protection cause they will take your arm off & I like Shepherd breeds for their controlled aggressiveness .....unlike the bullie breed. A 45 & a M14 stop with one shot.....I like that.

Put the bullet where it's supposed to go and caliber is much less important.

9mm vs .45 ACP: with modern hollow-points there is no statistically significant advantage in either direction. I prefer .40 S&W, but I've fired tens of thousands of rounds of 9mm and I feel confident that most of the time, bullets go where you point them.

The same thing applies with 5.56 vs 7.62: put the bullet where it's supposed to go and either works fine. For CQB the M14 is at a disadvantage because its platform cannot be readily made to support the optics, lights and lasers that we have come to rely on. We've still got Back-Up Iron Sights (BUIS) but either an ACOG or M68 really do help put rounds in center of mass more quickly, and lasers have been a game changer as far as speed and accuracy in CQB.

Another consideration is that females tend to have difficulty operating the M14, while the M4 presents far fewer challenges in that regard. The Navy still had M14s when I served in that branch and it was a handful for female Sailors.

 

[Reynolds]

Take a look at this.....Home - CZ-USA

CZ is the poorest marketer in the USA. They are also the finest handgun manufacturer. I shoot a CZ 75 SP-01 Angus Hobdell custom as my competition pistol. If CZ could ever master U.S. marketing, they would knock off Glock. CZ has far superior weapons.

 

[OnlyaSinner]

To be clear, NJ is the land of the Liberal. Christy muffed it as a Republican Governor & now we have Radical Demo's proliferating daily. I prefer not to give them any more talking points.

Also, a state with lots of people generally has a greater number of miscreants, so I can understand not publicizing one's gun ownership. My daughter, son-in-law and grandkids live in pleasant "low-crime" SNJ agricultural country - Gloucester County. Their place got burglarized last fall while they were at prayer meeting 500 feet down the road. The perp was probably in and out in a minute or two, as he triggered the alarm. My SIL got there in time to see the getaway and record the tag, which helped LEs to bag the guy two weeks later, long after he'd fenced the jewelry he'd grabbed at the kid's place - not super valuable but some heirloom stuff tough to lose. (They have one gun [I think] at the house, my daughter's 20-gauge, taken down, in the box, in a closet, and no ammo.)

 

[Benjamin]

So you would draw down on a swat team? You saw what happened at WACO right?

Are you comparing the Waco resistance to that of all the gun owners in this country who intend to keep their constitutional rights?

 

[TCassidy]

On the subject of arming teachers.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Put the bullet where it's supposed to go and caliber is much less important.

9mm vs .45 ACP: with modern hollow-points there is no statistically significant advantage in either direction. I prefer .40 S&W, but I've fired tens of thousands of rounds of 9mm and I feel confident that most of the time, bullets go where you point them.

The same thing applies with 5.56 vs 7.62: put the bullet where it's supposed to go and either works fine. For CQB the M14 is at a disadvantage because its platform cannot be readily made to support the optics, lights and lasers that we have come to rely on. We've still got Back-Up Iron Sights (BUIS) but either an ACOG or M68 really do help put rounds in center of mass more quickly, and lasers have been a game changer as far as speed and accuracy in CQB.

Another consideration is that females tend to have difficulty operating the M14, while the M4 presents far fewer challenges in that regard. The Navy still had M14s when I served in that branch and it was a handful for female Sailors.

If they can’t handle the weight, how do you expect them to carry a male counterpart off the field?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

On the subject of arming teachers.

View attachment 1991

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Are you comparing the Waco resistance to that of all the gun owners in this country who intend to keep their constitutional rights?

No

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Also, a state with lots of people generally has a greater number of miscreants, so I can understand not publicizing one's gun ownership. My daughter, son-in-law and grandkids live in pleasant "low-crime" SNJ agricultural country - Gloucester County. Their place got burglarized last fall while they were at prayer meeting 500 feet down the road. The perp was probably in and out in a minute or two, as he triggered the alarm. My SIL got there in time to see the getaway and record the tag, which helped LEs to bag the guy two weeks later, long after he'd fenced the jewelry he'd grabbed at the kid's place - not super valuable but some heirloom stuff tough to lose. (They have one gun [I think] at the house, my daughter's 20-gauge, taken down, in the box, in a closet, and no ammo.)

I’d advise a pit bull, Shepherd... some type that doesn’t like home invaders and will bluntly tell them that their presence is not appreciated

 

[poor-in-spirit]

What Scriptural support can anyone lend to this adoration for weapons, the carrying of and most importantly the use of any against others? Sincere question....

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Reynolds]

On the subject of arming teachers.

View attachment 1991

That is hilarious.

 

[Reynolds]

What Scriptural support can anyone lend to this adoration for weapons, the carrying of and most importantly the use of any against others? Sincere question....

Luke 22:36

 

[Reynolds]

If they can’t handle the weight, how do you expect them to carry a male counterpart off the field?

They can't, but in this lib wacko paradise, such minor details are not considered. Having said that, the 9mm Lifer is statistically a better stopper than the .45ACP.

 

[poor-in-spirit]

Luke 22:36

Oh dear friend, this passage in Luke 22:36-40 is not referring to actual violence. It is yet another fulfillment of prophecy in which our Lord frequently declared in the Gospels during various situations. In this case the prophecy fulfilled is Isaiah 53: 9-12. "v. 12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

Our Lord was to be numbered with the transgressors. The swords presence in the garden made our Lord's arrest legal (at the time of arrest). Peter was rebuked by the Lord for using one of the swords. Using them was never our Lord's intent. Can't you see that? He did not come here the first time to destroy men's lives, but to save them. We are commanded to be like Him in these matters and point men to the Savior, not to destroy men's lives.

Luke 22: 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

It wasn't nearly enough for the self defense of all of the disciples but it was enough for the arrest and fulfillment of Isaiah 53. These swords were never to be used in resistance.

It is anti-Christ to believe that Jesus even excuses, much less condones, encourages, or commands violence to any other human being down here for any reason. Remember the New Testament reveals, explains and abolishes the Old.

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

There is not and will not be any time in your remaining physical life where it is OK to resist evil or disobey any of our Lord's commands. To do so is sin, to teach others to do so will regulate you to least in Heaven.

Matthew 5: 16. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. v 19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Carrying a pistol with the intent to shoot someone in self defense is not Bible Christianity.

Just a warning friend, nothing more.

 

[TCassidy]

What Scriptural support can anyone lend to this adoration for weapons,

Neh 4:17 They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.
Neh 4:18 For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me.

Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

And nobody has claimed to "adore" weapons. That is the logical fallacy of poisoning the well.

the carrying of and most importantly the use of any against others?

See above.

Sincere question....

Not very.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

CZ is the poorest marketer in the USA. They are also the finest handgun manufacturer. I shoot a CZ 75 SP-01 Angus Hobdell custom as my competition pistol. If CZ could ever master U.S. marketing, they would knock off Glock. CZ has far superior weapons.

I agree however Glocks appeal to the commoner and they are comparatively inexpensive

They can't, but in this lib wacko paradise, such minor details are not considered. Having said that, the 9mm Lifer is statistically a better stopper than the .45ACP.

issue a crossbow then

 

[Reynolds]

I agree however Glocks appeal to the commoner and they are comparatively inexpensive

issue a crossbow then

Glock on the real market is more expensive than CZ.

 

[supersoldier71]

If they can’t handle the weight, how do you expect them to carry a male counterpart off the field?

Please remember that I am a Soldier not a policy maker.

It was not my choice to allow women into all combat job fields, but until I retire in a few months, it's still my job to successfully implement the decisions of those elected and appointed officials who have the authority to make those decisions.

That said: the M14 is a boat anchor. FN brought out a new modular 7.62mm platform that was lighter and more adaptable to modern accessories but there were SERIOUS durability issues so USASOC just bought more M4A1s.


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[poor-in-spirit]

Neh 4:17 They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.
Neh 4:18 For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded. And he that sounded the trumpet was by me.

Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

And nobody has claimed to "adore" weapons. That is the logical fallacy of poisoning the well.

See above.

Not very.

In no way did I mean to offend you brother and it is a sincere question.