Why? (Continued)

[TCassidy]

I’m considering a Springfield XD (I had one in the past and liked the gun) and a S&W Shield. I’ve always preferred 40 but I think I’ll go with 9mm. The price is pointing me to the S&W (I am one of those rare people who owned and liked the Sigma...but not for the range unless the trigger pull was lightened).

The Springer is a great pistol for the money. It is not actually manufactured by Springfield, but is a rebranded HS2000 (Hrvatski Samokres (Croatian Pistol)) manufactured in the city of Karlovac, Croatia by HS Produkt. But their quality is second to none. It is far, far superior to the Glock.

The shield is a bit small for me. I have the M&P .40 which I really like.

I too like the Sigma. I have the second generation SW9VE. Great little pistol. The trigger was long, hard, and gritty when I first got it, but I did a trigger job on it where I removed the pigtail spring from the sear, polished the active surfaces, and it now is much easier and very smooth.

I had a similar, but lesser, problem with my M&P but could not improve it myself so I bought an Apex Tactical Competition trigger kit and it is now the best trigger I ever pulled.

And I have had an epiphany in the past 10 years or so. I used to be a die hard .45 guy but I am now a firm believer in the 9mm as the best self-defense round. I only use the .40 on the range. The 9mm actually has a better stopping factor than either the .40 or .45.

Buy the XD. You won't be disappointed.

 

[TCassidy]

The logical assumption drawn from that would be that you illegally own an AR.

Not necessarily. He may not want to advertise he has a firearm in his home if he does not have a gun safe to keep it in. (I have 3! )

 

[Matt Black]

Well, we have discovered one more thing Matt knows nothing about. Math.

2.1 million Americans in all branches of the military.

200 million Americans own 300 million firearms.

That means We the People outnumber the military by 100 to 1. Duh!

Not to mention the number of those 2.1 million who will refuse to fire on other Americans. Double Duh!

Let me know how that worked out for David Koresh and his band of heretics

 

[supersoldier71]

Let me know how that worked out for David Koresh and his band of heretics

David Koresh was holed up in a fixed position. Assaulting a fixed position is literally the simplest combat task.

Insurgents aren't generally that predictable, which is the basis behind all the arguments against firearms registration. The underlying concept being the the totalitarian regime would have its very own insurgency to deal with right off the bat, and as you know, conventional military power cannot be conveniently or efficiently applied against an insurgent.

And to be clear, it wouldn't just be a bunch of fat dudes with ARs: there'd be some dudes who've done a few rotations in Iraq and Afghanistan who know how to rig Improvised Explosive Devices. There'd ALSO be old fat guys with ARs.

 

[TCassidy]

Let me know how that worked out for David Koresh and his band of heretics

Were there 200 million of them?

 

[Matt Black]

You're assuming they'd all be united. That's a very homogenous society you seem to have there.

 

[Adonia]

David Koresh was holed up in a fixed position

In a fixed position and in an open area. Not the place I would want to be. Sure he could see people coming, but they had full visuals on him as well. Plenty of room for helicopters and with an armored vehicle they can get right up close - which is exactly what happened.

 

[Reynolds]

Yea, that's how we were taught. They showed us x-rays of 5.56 damage (traveling up a bone, not exiting, etc ). But the philosophy was that a severely wounded soldier took out 2 people whereas a dead one only took out one.

But my favorite guns were the M2 and the M60.

The M2 ha

Not necessarily. He may not want to advertise he has a firearm in his home if he does not have a gun safe to keep it in. (I have 3! )

I have 2 gun safes at my home and 4 at an undisclosed location. All are alarm protected. I think the undisclosed location
Has quite a few AR-15 rifles there.
Notice, he did say he was not commenting because he lived in N.J.

 

[JonC]

The M2 ha

To clarify for Big Brother- when I served...I don't have a M2 of my own

 

[Reynolds]

To clarify for Big Brother- when I served...I don't have a M2 of my own

Or an M60 I assume.
I don't know exactly what the difference between a fully automatic M1 carbine and a m2 is, but my friend has several fully automatic M1 carbine. Tax stamps on all. He has been offered $16k each for them and turned it down.

 

[JonC]

Or an M60 I assume.
I don't know exactly what the difference between a fully automatic M1 carbine and a m2 is, but my friend has several fully automatic M1 carbine. Tax stamps on all. He has been offered $16k each for them and turned it down.

 

[Reynolds]

Ok. I assumed M2 carbine. I was wondering why you were a fan of it.

 

[supersoldier71]

You're assuming they'd all be united. That's a very homogenous society you seem to have there.

No, they don't have to be united with each other. That style of insurgency is actually pretty easily defeated because it presents a larger target. More people cross-talking means more intelligence gathered against you means the Gestapo starts snatching people up.

The difficult ones--say like Afghanistan--are so factionalized and fragmented that it very much resembles an incredibly disciplined intelligence apparatus with hard compartmentalization between the cells. Snuff one cell and it means about the same as when law enforcement arrests a street level dealer.

Also remember that for the insurgent, the opponent's conventional power becomes a liability. The governing power applies massive force to squash the local insurgency and their response then seems out of proportion to the insurgent's "crimes". Which affects public opinion negatively for one side, positively for the other.

The governing power is then forced to further curtail civil rights in order to prevent the insurgent from acting, which creates still more negative public opinion.

And none of these factors even address the absolutely ridiculous amount of terrain an oppressive regime would have to deal with in the Continental United States.

In a fixed position and in an open area. Not the place I would want to be. Sure he could see people coming, but they had full visuals on him as well. Plenty of room for helicopters and with an armored vehicle they can get right up close - which is exactly what happened.

FACT!

That terrain was the place you go to die.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have a gun safe

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In a fixed position and in an open area. Not the place I would want to be. Sure he could see people coming, but they had full visuals on him as well. Plenty of room for helicopters and with an armored vehicle they can get right up close - which is exactly what happened.

You forgot drones... those things are game changers

 

[Reynolds]

Let me know how that worked out for David Koresh and his band of heretics

Look how many casualties they inflicted. Look how many Federal resources they kept occupied.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Wouldn't you rather have a higher cal round to knock them down "One shot one kill" ....personally I do. The M14 can go through a wall of concrete, be used as a sniper rifle etc. Of course its heavy but the job gets done. Ive also accepted that the 9MM is an acceptable handgun, they have been training for years with that Beretta (gotta put 2 rounds in a guys scull) but I was trained early by my dad (career Army) that he much prefers a 45 round .... Boom, drop him, then drop the next guy.

Like a dog that is breed for a purpose, each gun has a purpose. I like bull breeds for protection cause they will take your arm off & I like Shepherd breeds for their controlled aggressiveness .....unlike the bullie breed. A 45 & a M14 stop with one shot.....I like that.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Look how many casualties they inflicted. Look how many Federal resources they kept occupied.

I prefer hit & run tactics.....not dying on the field (if I can help it)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The M2 ha

I have 2 gun safes at my home and 4 at an undisclosed location. All are alarm protected. I think the undisclosed location
Has quite a few AR-15 rifles there.
Notice, he did say he was not commenting because he lived in N.J.

To be clear, NJ is the land of the Liberal. Christy muffed it as a Republican Governor & now we have Radical Demo's proliferating daily. I prefer not to give them any more talking points.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I’m considering a Springfield XD (I had one in the past and liked the gun) and a S&W Shield. I’ve always preferred 40 but I think I’ll go with 9mm. The price is pointing me to the S&W (I am one of those rare people who owned and liked the Sigma...but not for the range unless the trigger pull was lightened).

I have no plans of attacking anyone or killing myself. Which gun has the less potential for killing me in my sleep?

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