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Have you studied the type of weapons used to commit these violent gun crimes? Please see attached below:
What an AR-15 Can Do to the Human Body
but that still doesn't correlate with gun ownership - it's much harder to find out the true rate of that, though, people here now are leery about answering these surveys.
He's right, the statistics can prove or disprove anything here - and the idea that the UK is "safer" than the US is not a new one. It has always been far lower than here, even back when the Brits could legally have machine guns.
Nobody wants to hear this, but the reason there's no correlation between gun ownership and gun crime is more of a cultural nature, explains why Switzerland has a relatively low crime rate and Venezuela has a very high one. It has nothing to do with any gun laws, the people of the country are the major factor and I don't care if that's interpreted as racist, ageist, or sexist. The vast majority of violent crime is done by young men of all races, whites and Asians being the lowest and if you have a bunch of them in your populace, you're going to get the higher rates.
He's right, the statistics can prove or disprove anything here - and the idea that the UK is "safer" than the US is not a new one. It has always been far lower than here, even back when the Brits could legally have machine guns.
Nobody wants to hear this, but the reason there's no correlation between gun ownership and gun crime is more of a cultural nature, explains why Switzerland has a relatively low crime rate and Venezuela has a very high one. It has nothing to do with any gun laws, the people of the country are the major factor and I don't care if that's interpreted as racist, ageist, or sexist. The vast majority of violent crime is done by young men of all races, whites and Asians being the lowest and if you have a bunch of them in your populace, you're going to get the higher rates.
The ar-15 is a relatively low powered rifle. The military has complained about its lack of energy since its adoption. Its predacessor, the M-14, was a true high powered rifle. The 5.56 is in service due to recoil, weight, and ammunition cost. It is actually underpowered.
If you look at any crime stat, that's pretty much how it distributes out among the states.
Not according to the article and not according to Doctors attempts to save lives of those in OR after being shot with one. So it begs the question, what is the purpose of one?
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You are comparing it to lower powered rounds. Will it cause damage? Sure. It does not cause nearly the damage a true high powered rifle causes. As a former detective, I will tell you that surgeons never see a person shot in the torso with a true high powered rifle. They get zipped up and sent to the crime lab, not the E.R.
Ask any big game hunter how underpowered the 5.56 is. They will tell you.
Out of curiosity, how many AR-15 rifles do you own? How many have you shot? What have you killed with a .223 or 5.56 in any platform? The .223/5.56 is a varmint round. If you want to ban it because of its kinetic energy, you would have to ban 99% of centerfire rifle cartridges because they have more energy. That article is just gun ban liberal trash.
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Perhaps the author of the article and the surgeons don't know as much about firearms as they claim.
The M-16, 5.56mm round (a glorified .22), was designed to do as much damage as possible without killing the target. The old M-1 from WWII days was a huge 30.06 round, the M-14, which replaced the M-1 was a .308 magnum, also a large powerful round.
The 5.56, as I said about, was a small, light round that would not penetrate the target but bounce around doing a lot of damage without killing the enemy.
When you kill an enemy you take one soldier out of the enemy force.
But when you just wound him you take him, a combat medic or two, an evac ambulance, an air-evac helicopter, a MASH unit with a dozen doctors, nurses and orderlies, a rear echelon hospital, plus all the associated personnel. Upwards of 50 people.
It's a nasty business, but that is war.
In many states it is illegal to use a 5.56mm rifle to hunt anything larger than varmints. It is too small to kill cleanly.
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Gun violence correlates to gun availability and low socioeconomic status.
If you compare areas with similar socioeconomic status, the ones with high gun availablility will have more gun violence.
rich + few guns = minimal gun violence
rich + lots of guns = some gun violence
poor + few guns = some gun violence
poor + lots of guns = boatloads of gun violence
The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010
The Geography of U.S. Gun Violence
America’s unique gun violence problem, explained in 17 maps and charts
It's also in service because it isn't overpowered. I loved the 7.62 but the 5.56 is often more effective.
The very reason to adjust for variables is to be precise.
I live in a very affluent town with more guns per capita that any other town in my state, and there are almost no gun crimes. There is almost no crime, period.
Where Democrats have essentially given people crumbs and taken away incentive and motivation to work, they have nothing to do all day except shoot each other up. Stop the nanny state and you will all but eliminate gangs.
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And if you compare your area to one with a similar level of affluence but less guns you will find lower levels of gun violence there (suicides, accidental deaths, etc).
Crime is correlated the socioeconomic status everywhere in the world.
Gold Dragon
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If you remove gang on gang incidents from gun homicides in the US and compared that with UK homicides of any kind where gang on gang incidents were removed, that would be a reasonable comparison. I would expect the discrepacy between the US and UK to be even larger. But we will never know because gang statistics are notoriously difficult to get as perpetrators rarely admit to being in a gang.
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First won’t give that information cause I live in NJ.... however I have shot both M14 and AR15. I know the difference. What I am trying to do is understand why anyone would want an AR. A deer rifle yes... that’s for hunting, a hand gun yes, that’s for protection. But a AR, other than using for fun at the gun range or shooting up a school or church...
Well, now you're taking another dimension into this, wealth. But the easiest of that theory to debunk is the poor + few guns, look at any poor country like Mexico, strict gun control leading to only cops and drug lords with them, but a higher rate than the US:
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia
and, yeah, from the second and third link, sounds like the firearm murders are in the cities, the suicides in the suburbs and rural areas. Now that explains why Alaska is so high, they're counting the suicides in it.
No, states with higher gun ownership mean don't have more gun murders
The top link I've seen cited by a bunch of American liberals, but the study is flawed:
John Lott's Website: Seriously? The "Largest Gun Study Ever: More Guns, More Murder"
read the comments, I think the worst part of that study is that they didn't include Washington DC - gun ownership is only 26 percent but it has the highest rate per 100,000 of all:
Firearm death rates in the United States by state - Wikipedia
People say that they just go to Virginia to get the guns and use them in DC, which makes no sense at all. Look at the last link, Maryland is a big gun control state and it has a much higher per capita rate than Virginia but DC tops them all. It's cultural.
It's a hunting round for small game\varmits in places with more space than NJ or other Eastern states.
I thought it was a M16 platform. M16’s were not designed for varments, a 22 is a varmint gun.
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