Why Didn't God....

[Don]

OK, but we are taking suicide last I checked suicide was FINAL...Job didn't die through all he went through so not sure Job is the example you all should be using?

Talking principles and concepts. Did God allow suicide to happen? Yes. Did God cause the suicide to happen? Possibly; remember, He hardened Pharoah's heart. Did He know the suicide would happen? Yes. Did He plan the suicide? Makes more sense to me that He planned how to turn that into good, whether we can see how it worked for good or not.

The example of Job is how we react to the situation (the suicide). We can choose to ask why would God allow this; or we can continue to praise Him, knowing that there's a greater plan/purpose than we can understand.

 

[Matt22:37-39]

Talking principles and concepts. Did God allow suicide to happen? Yes. Did God cause the suicide to happen? Possibly; remember, He hardened Pharoah's heart. Did He know the suicide would happen? Yes. Did He plan the suicide? Makes more sense to me that He planned how to turn that into good, whether we can see how it worked for good or not.

The example of Job is how we react to the situation (the suicide). We can choose to ask why would God allow this; or we can continue to praise Him, knowing that there's a greater plan/purpose than we can understand.

OK I get most of them except two.

It may have been you or someone else who used that phrase.."well He hardened Pharaohs heart"...thing is that is very poor example, for one he wasn't saved...two, he hardened his own heart first. And what does suicide and hardening Pharaohs heart have to do with each other?..one is still alive the other dead.

Again the Job example...Job is alive the person who committed suicide is gone. Again very poor example.

 

[saturneptune]

Why didn't God put a flower garden where Death Valley is? Why do bad things happen to go people and good things happen to bad people? Who can know the mind of God? The only thing we know is that we see things from our flawed human perspective, and have our own standard of fairlness. We also know that this world is cursed throughout its entrie being by original sin.

 

[Crabtownboy]

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Stop Thomas Kincaid and Matthew Warren (Rick Warrens son) from committing suicide?

Free will!

 

[Matt22:37-39]

I agree free will too

 

[saturneptune]

I agree free will too

Even the most extreme Calvinist for example, believes in free will within the mindset of choosing one evil over another.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

OK I get most of them except two.

It may have been you or someone else who used that phrase.."well He hardened Pharaohs heart"...thing is that is very poor example, for one he wasn't saved...two, he hardened his own heart first. And what does suicide and hardening Pharaohs heart have to do with each other?..one is still alive the other dead.

Again the Job example...Job is alive the person who committed suicide is gone. Again very poor example.

There are things about the Book of Job that bother me, but if I said what, I might get banned.

 

[Revmitchell]

THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE

Question: "Do we have an appointed time of death?"

Answer: The Bible tells us that “all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be” (Psalm 139:16). So, yes, God knows exactly when, where, and how we will die. God knows absolutely everything about us (Psalm 139:1-6). So does this mean our fate is sealed? Does this mean we have absolutely no control over when we will die? The answer is both yes and no, depending on the perspective.

The answer is "yes" from God’s perspective because God is omniscient—He knows everything and knows exactly when, where and how we will die. Nothing we can do will change what God already knows will happen. The answer is "no" from our perspective because we do have an impact on when, where, and how we die. Obviously, a person who commits suicide causes his own death. A person who commits suicide would have lived longer had he not committed suicide. Similarly, a person who dies because of a foolish decision (e.g., drug use) “expedites” his own death. A person who dies of lung cancer from smoking would not have died in the same way or at the same time if he had not smoked. A person who dies of a heart attack due to a lifetime of extremely unhealthy eating and little exercise would not have died in the same way or at the same time if he had eaten healthier foods and exercised more. Yes, our own decisions have an undeniable impact on the manner, timing, and place of our death.

How does this affect our lives practically? We are to live each day for God. James 4:13-15 teaches us, “Now listen, you who say, 'Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.' Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. Instead, you ought to say, 'If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that.'” We are to make wise decisions about how we live our lives and how we take care of ourselves. And ultimately, we trust God that He is sovereign and in control of all things.

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Maybe you should have posted that in the op up front instead of playing childish cat and mouse games.

 

[Don]

There are things about the Book of Job that bother me, but if I said what, I might get banned.

Well, that's certainly got me curious....

PM?

 

[Bro. James]

Making wise choices is not within the capability of the human free will which is enslaved to the sin nature. We all have it in the totality of our depravity. We know not how to choose wisely without the spiritual discernment which results from being born from above.

The world of religion is filled with unregenerated in all ranks including the top.
This is evidenced by salvation by works, infant baptism and ecumenism. I left out respect of persons. All of these are wrong choices with far reaching consequences.:tonofbricks:

Now what?

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Yeshua1]

Even the most extreme Calvinist for example, believes in free will within the mindset of choosing one evil over another.

The key here is most calvinists would hold that we don nOT have the free will adam was created with from god, as we are now sinners as he became in the fall, and as such, our fallen natures are limited in what they can actually be ftee to choose to do!

 

[Van]

Lets take this one issue at a time.

THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE

Question: "Do we have an appointed time of death?"

Answer: The Bible tells us that “all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be” (Psalm 139:16).

What was written in God's book? All of David's days? Nope. All the days that were ordained? Yes. If not all his days were ordained, i.e. only some of them, then this verse provides no support.

So, yes, God knows exactly when, where, and how we will die. God knows absolutely everything about us (Psalm 139:1-6).

Yet another liberal interpretation of the text. David is writing this Psalm as youth or adult, and God knows his thoughts, attitudes, and actions. But in addition, does this passage say God knows everything that will every happen to him? Nope. It says before a word is on his tongue, God knows it all? What is in view. Does all refer to everything imaginable or to the thought David is about to express in spoken words. The whole thought.

So does this mean our fate is sealed? Does this mean we have absolutely no control over when we will die? The answer is both yes and no, depending on the perspective.

The two passages do not address whether or not God has ordained (predestined) our physical death.

The answer is "yes" from God’s perspective because God is omniscient—He knows everything and knows exactly when, where and how we will die. Nothing we can do will change what God already knows will happen. The answer is "no" from our perspective because we do have an impact on when, where, and how we die. Obviously, a person who commits suicide causes his own death. A person who commits suicide would have lived longer had he not committed suicide. Similarly, a person who dies because of a foolish decision (e.g., drug use) “expedites” his own death. A person who dies of lung cancer from smoking would not have died in the same way or at the same time if he had not smoked. A person who dies of a heart attack due to a lifetime of extremely unhealthy eating and little exercise would not have died in the same way or at the same time if he had eaten healthier foods and exercised more. Yes, our own decisions have an undeniable impact on the manner, timing, and place of our death.

Sometimes yes, but sometimes no. Things happen by chance, a person could die of a heart attack while jogging to keep himself or herself in shape, or be run over by a truck.

How does this affect our lives practically? We are to live each day for God. James 4:13-15 teaches us, “Now listen, you who say, 'Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.' Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. Instead, you ought to say, 'If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that.'” We are to make wise decisions about how we live our lives and how we take care of ourselves. And ultimately, we trust God that He is sovereign and in control of all things.

While this statement is biblical and true, the prior exegetical effort is without merit.

 

[Yeshua1]

What was written in God's book? All of David's days? Nope. All the days that were ordained? Yes. If not all his days were ordained, i.e. only some of them, then this verse provides no support.

Yet another liberal interpretation of the text. David is writing this Psalm as youth or adult, and God knows his thoughts, attitudes, and actions. But in addition, does this passage say God knows everything that will every happen to him? Nope. It says before a word is on his tongue, God knows it all? What is in view. Does all refer to everything imaginable or to the thought David is about to express in spoken words. The whole thought.

The two passages do not address whether or not God has ordained (predestined) our physical death.

Sometimes yes, but sometimes no. Things happen by chance, a person could die of a heart attack while jogging to keep himself or herself in shape, or be run over by a truck.

While this statement is biblical and true, the prior exegetical effort is without merit.

God knows exactly when and how i will pass away, and thatHis sovereign control over that gives me great hope, for nothing happens that he did not know and was aware of, and that is beyonf him to affect or change IF he so chooses too!

And when He knows its the best time to go on, we go on!

 

[Matt22:37-39]

Maybe you should have posted that in the op up front instead of playing childish cat and mouse games.

Why, it is wrong to get people to THINK?

 

[plain_n_simple]

"Why Didn't God....Stop Thomas Kincaid and Matthew Warren (Rick Warrens son) from committing suicide?"

Because God gave us a freewill to choose. He put the power of life and death in our mouths. The devil came to kill steal and destroy, and unfortunately that is what Thomas did, he listened to Satan.

 

[righteousdude2]

That's As Good.....

"Why Didn't God....Stop Thomas Kincaid and Matthew Warren (Rick Warrens son) from committing suicide?"

Because God gave us a freewill to choose. He put the power of life and death in our mouths. The devil came to kill steal and destroy, and unfortunately that is what Thomas did, he listened to Satan.

...an explanation as I've heard yet! :applause:

 

[Yeshua1]

"Why Didn't God....Stop Thomas Kincaid and Matthew Warren (Rick Warrens son) from committing suicide?"

Because God gave us a freewill to choose. He put the power of life and death in our mouths. The devil came to kill steal and destroy, and unfortunately that is what Thomas did, he listened to Satan.

God allowed mankind to fall, ans as a result, we are born as sinners, who freely chose to keep on sinning, and there is NO such thing as our words having power, our faith creating realities for us, that is the cultic word of faith jargon!

FR better to take the biblcial approach of trusting in god and Him to do what needs to get done for us, NOT in our "powers of the faith Force!"

God is Sovereign, and He will accomplish his will and will not need our "positive confessions!"

 

[Van]

Pitchback

God knows exactly when and how i will pass away, and thatHis sovereign control over that gives me great hope, for nothing happens that he did not know and was aware of, and that is beyonf him to affect or change IF he so chooses too!

And when He knows its the best time to go on, we go on!

Your personal beliefs may be valid, but rather than take your word for it, why not present from scripture why you believe what you believe. Lots of folks believe mistaken things based on liberal interpretations of scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

Your personal beliefs may be valid, but rather than take your word for it, why not present from scripture why you believe what you believe. Lots of folks believe mistaken things based on liberal interpretations of scripture.

satan HAD to go to god in order to attack job , and try to get hiom to sin against god, same for peter!

that is our assurance, that whatever comes into our lives as believers, God allowed all things to happen, and he has predestined to somehow it work in the end work out for us...

 

[mactx]

It is called free choice.
God has a plan, we however end to muck it up.
We can choose to live in Him or ignore Him.
He did not create us to be mindless drones. He wants us to choose Him. He doesn't want us to come to Him because of fear or compulsion.