Why Do Arminians Pray for the Salvation of the Lost?

[Don]

Yes. That is the point.

If He has already called them and given them "prevenient grace" (whatever that is) what else can he do? What are they asking God to do?

This misunderstanding is why you were never an arminian, nor profess the arminian position correctly.

 

[thatbrian]

This misunderstanding is why you were never an arminian, nor profess the arminian position correctly.

First. explain where my misrepresentation is. Second, please share the content of your prayers for the salvation of uncle Billy, Don.

 

[Revmitchell]

Well, since the free will of the sinner saves them in arminian viewpoint, what would one ask God to do then?

Strawman, no argues that free will saves them. Calvinist accuse it but no one claims it. You need an argument to defeat where none exists.

 

[Don]

First. explain where my misrepresentation is. Second, please share the content of your prayers for the salvation of uncle Billy, Don.

prevenient grace, whatever that is....

Tom Cassidy has done a better job of explaining this in the past. However, I'll use Arminius' words:
“No man believes in Christ except he has been previously disposed and prepared, by preventing or preceding grace, to receive life eternal on that condition on which God wills to bestow it, according to the following passage of Scripture: “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” (John 7:17 )”

 

[thatbrian]

Tom Cassidy has done a better job of explaining this in the past. However, I'll use Arminius' words:
“No man believes in Christ except he has been previously disposed and prepared, by preventing or preceding grace, to receive life eternal on that condition on which God wills to bestow it, according to the following passage of Scripture: “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.” (John 7:17 )”

I said nothing to contradict or misrepresent that view held by Arminians.

You have not answered the OP. Would you care to?

 

[HankD]

Well, since the free will of the sinner saves them in arminian viewpoint, what would one ask God to do then?

Why would a calvinist ask God to do His will since its already a done deal?

HankD

 

[padredurand]

I pray for the salvation of all the lost for one simple reason. I don't have a list of all the elect. Uncle Bill may be a bit of a scoundrel now but Grace is an amazing thing.....

 

[Reformed]

That's not the arminian viewpoint. Maybe pelagian, or semi-pelagian.

Don, Arminianism and semi-Pelagianism blur boundaries all the time. A better term to use is Synergism. Synergism teaches that man cooperates with God in salvation and will not violate the free will of the creature. It also teaches that Christ made the atonement possible for the individual, but until the individual exercises his own free will, the atonement is not efficacious for the individual.

P.S. Edited to correct grammar.

 

[Reformed]

I pray for the salvation of all the lost for one simple reason. I don't have a list of all the elect. Uncle Bill may be a bit of a scoundrel now but Grace is an amazing thing.....

Bingo! God has not sent me the memo telling me who the Elect are, so I proclaim the Gospel to all who will listen.

 

[HankD]

Friend, as one of those evil, misled Calvinists, I am glad that I was not led of the Spirit to not pray for the lost. Praise God for the means of the Gospel!


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Being misled by Calvin does not make you evil - we are capable of evil on our own (although Adam helped).

HankD

 

[Revmitchell]

I pray for the lost.....cuz their lost.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I pray for the lost - specifically and generically.

For example, I pray and have prayed for a long time for some former math students who are Islamic.

Kaleemulah and Safiullah who are 19 year old twin boys
Amna, a junior and her cousin, little Amna, a 10th grader.
Rabia, another cousin who is in college.

As a non-C and non-A, this is what I pray for. I imagine the C's and A's here pray along the same lines if truth be told.

I pray:

• for God to draw them to him.
• for God to have mercy on them and their families.
• for God to surround them and send them Christians [like he did with Philip and the eunuch]
• for God to deliver them from evil and from the bondage and strongholds of Islam
• for them to be saved and to be powerful witnesses to their Islamic community
• for their blind eyes to be opened

I suspect we all have the same purpose in our prayers.

 

[Reformed]

Being misled by Calvin does not make you evil - we are capable of evil on our own (although Adam helped).

HankD

Hank, I was being cheeky.

 

[Don]

I said nothing to contradict or misrepresent that view held by Arminians.

Yes, you did. When you stated "whatever that is," you implied a denial of arminians believing in grace preceeding salvation.

You have not answered the OP. Would you care to?

The same thing that calvinists pray for: the salvation of a soul.

 

[Yeshua1]

Strawman, no argues that free will saves them. Calvinist accuse it but no one claims it. You need an argument to defeat where none exists.

What makes the saved accept the same message the lost refuses to then?

 

[Revmitchell]

What makes the saved accept the same message the lost refuses to then?

the gospel Romans 1:16

 

[Yeshua1]

Being misled by Calvin does not make you evil - we are capable of evil on our own (although Adam helped).

HankD

I am a calvinist who did not get theology from Calvin, but from the scriptures, and where calvin agreed with that, he was good, but in some areas he was dead wrong!

 

[Yeshua1]

the gospel Romans 1:16

What allows a sinner to accept Jesus, its his own free will decision per non calvinism, correct?

 

[thatbrian]

I pray for the salvation of all the lost for one simple reason. I don't have a list of all the elect. Uncle Bill may be a bit of a scoundrel now but Grace is an amazing thing.....

You ask God to do more for uncle Billy than He already has? If so, what more are you asking for?

Would you ask God to "violate" uncle Billy's will in order to save him? Are you asking God to make uncle Billy a robot? In other words, if uncle Billy has, by his "free will" reject the gospel, why pray for him?

 

[thatbrian]

I pray for the lost - specifically and generically.

For example, I pray and have prayed for a long time for some former math students who are Islamic.

Kaleemulah and Safiullah who are 19 year old twin boys
Amna, a junior and her cousin, little Amna, a 10th grader.
Rabia, another cousin who is in college.

As a non-C and non-A, this is what I pray for. I imagine the C's and A's here pray along the same lines if truth be told.

I pray:

• for God to draw them to him.
• for God to have mercy on them and their families.
• for God to surround them and send them Christians [like he did with Philip and the eunuch]
• for God to deliver them from evil and from the bondage and strongholds of Islam
• for them to be saved and to be powerful witnesses to their Islamic community
• for their blind eyes to be opened

I suspect we all have the same purpose in our prayers.

I've no doubt you pray for these things, and you should pray for such things. What I have asked is why you do, if you hold an Arminian or semi-Pelagian view of soteriology.