Featured Why Do Men Hate God's Sovereignty in Election

Both enabled to us by the Holy Spirit, not produced in and by ourselves!

 

No one claims it is

 

Jesus says YOU ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.

Luke 11

13“If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

ANSWER CHRIST^^^^^

JUST how much more?

Calvinist says "NEVER and NONE AT ALL"


What happens when a reprobate asks for God's help?

And the sad part is this Pharisaical ELITE who CAN ASK on behalf of the reprobates ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES, They tie up the burdens on reprobates and don't even lift a finger for them.

 

Unless God regenerates us (TULEP) we cannot repent or have faith!!

 

"And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name"

Your not regenerated if you still have sins to be washed away.


Titus 3

5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,


Washing of Regeneration is Baptism.


When Jesus stands in front of people the first thing he says to them is REPENT!

Someone forgot to give him the memo: He should have first told them REGENERATE!

 

You are only born again once.


From my understanding what is trying to be said is that initial regeneration needs to occur before you even have the capacity to repent and seek forgiveness.


We of course don't agree with the order of events.


Acts 2:38
Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


Regeneration is an act of forgiveness and healing.




The idea someone starts regenerated and saved, then they can go hear the gospel then repent......

This particular calvinist is covering his bases. I want to steal his quote :" Is not this waiting till the man is cured and then bringing him the medicine? "





“If I am to preach faith in Christ to a man who is regenerated, then the man, being regenerated, is saved already, and it is an unnecessary and ridiculous thing for me to preach Christ to him, and bid him to believe in order to be saved when he is saved already, being regenerate. But you will tell me that I ought to preach it only to those who repent of their sins. Very well; but since true repentance of sin is the work of the Spirit, any man who has repentance is most certainly saved, because evangelical repentance never can exist in an unrenewed soul. Where there is repentance there is faith already, for they never can be separated. So, then, I am only to preach faith to those who have it. Absurd, indeed! Is not this waiting till the man is cured and then bringing him the medicine? This is preaching Christ to the righteous and not to sinners.”

– C.H. Spurgeon



“Lord, hasten to bring in all Thine elect—and then elect some more.” --C.H. Spurgeon.

(if every Calvinist had that attitude, it wouldn't be such a big deal)

 

The point I'm trying to make is there is a regeneration and renewing occurring during that washing away of sins.

Titus 3

5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

1 peter 3
21Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,


Does this line mean that in baptism we are asking for that regeneration of good conscience?


I think if the renewal and regeneration was happening prior the only virtue that would need to be expressed is gratitude since its all over and done with.

 

I am still trying to figure out who it is that hates God's sovereignty in election. Unless some specific people can be named we can know the title of the op to be a Calvinist lie.

 

Rev, I purposely came to this forum with the very same question!

After 7 pages who in particular here (or name an author from anywhere) who in fact hate the sovereignty of God?

HankD

 

No one. It is a flat out lie. It needs to be dealt with but since a cagey calvinist posted it it will likely not be dealt with. These days misrepresentaitons of positions of those who are not calvinists to white bashing is seemingly allowed on this board.

 

I believe "hate" is the wrong word.

This is my own opinion and it can of course be rejected (and no doubt will) but from a C point of view the question should be "why do men misunderstand God's Sovereignty in election"

Actually the answer to the original question

"why do men hate God's Sovereignty in election"?

Perhaps because The feeling is mutual? Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated.


HankD

 

Sinners will never ask for Grace of God apart from the Holy Spirit working on them!

 

I did read the O/P. I re-read it. You used the generic term "men" as a set of haters of God's sovereignty.

Why Do Men Hate God's Sovereignty in Election

I repeat who in particular of this set of sovereignty haters of God in election can you ID of whom we would know because using the generic term "men" seems to indicate that all men hate the sovereignty of God.

I am of this set "men". I am also elect, however I do not hate the sovereignty of God which is causing my inquiry.

Without the particular ID of an element of the generic set of men (or perhaps there is a subset within the set of "men") it would seem to mean your proposition is ill defined.

Indeed I am having a problem understanding the O/P but as I indicated above it seems justified.

Please advise.

Thanks

HankD