Why do we treat the survivors like they are stupid?

Amen, Amen, Amen...praise God. Thanks for sharing!

 

telling them what they need?
well, here is the list of needs, which items do you think they don't need? Which ones would you say no too if it were you(not counting baby items of course, not everyone has a baby). I don't see the problem with giving people with nothing toothbrushes, soap, towles, do you?

bottled Water
Bar Soap
Shampoo
Towels
Wash Cloth
Baby Wipes
Toothbrush
Toothpaste
Paper Towels
Brush or comb
Feminine Hygienic products
Baby powder
Diapers
Baby oil/cream
Diaper rash ointment
non-aerosol bug repellent
Deodorant

They have to have order with that many people or they will have chaos. Which si preferable? There is one menu, this si what everyone is eating today, even relief workers, they are assigned where to sleeep becasue they have to know where everyone is, relief workers are sleeping on the ground(this from a man at church going down there, told to bring a tent). In this situation you can't have everyone running around doing their own thing, again, chaos.
I don't understand why anyone would be infuriated with recieving needed supplies, food and water, and a bed to sleep in. Unless they didn't want those things.

 

"To the ones whining about "Government give away" - - you're a Christian. Christ said it is YOUR job to take care of the homeless, the poor, the hungry. If you did your jobs, the government wouldn't HAVE to do it."

"You'll have to answer to the creator some day. How do you think He is going to feel about not only NOT helping, but complaining about the people who DID help?"

"May God have mercy on the hard hearts, hate filled souls that claim to proclaim His love and mercy to the world."



Are you really that prideful and arrogant in real life or just here on the board?

 

I said in the beginning: "Let's see, unemployment pay, food, shelter, water, 2 grand charge card, free property, extended benefits

later (what that means mr. bush is scary to me), 600 a month housing allowance, 5 grand to help find me a job. Uuuuuuuuu where do I sign

up to get told what to do and where to go.

"This is the biggest government give away in history, I'd guess and we aren't doing enough to hear the media's spin on it.

"It will surprise me if we don't rebuild the houses as well - liberals are already talking about it."
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Could you please point out where I said "the people of New Orleans "deserve less?" You really need to stop reading so much between the

lines and read the actual words posted. This is akin to bearing false witness in my mind. I did not comment once on what they deserved

or did not deserve.

Could you plese tell everyone what I have and haven't given since you seem to know?

Could you please point out where I was "whinning" I think you need to look up the meaning of commenting and whining - big difference.

Could you tell me how you know, if I have or have not, done my job? If you don't have a direct line to God's mind then you seem to

claim to be all knowing.

You said, "How do you think He is going to feel about not only NOT helping, but complaining about the people who DID help?"" I would

never presume to know how God feels on any subject, but would ask, again, how do you know what I have or haven't done? Who said I was

complaining about people helping. I did not. My comment was the government - BIG difference in case you don't know. Again a little

twisting of what is said or assuming what isn't.

You mentioned: "you better stop and ask yourself - would Christ agree with me?"

Uhhh, not sure it is up to Him to agree with me, but rather me agree with Him since He is always right. You err to assume to know that

I am not in agreement with him. You err greatly to suggest I do not do as the Lord asks, you do not know.

You have no idea what I give or don't give, or if I have to give, or if I have lots to give - why would you question someone's

motives/character/spirituality when you have no idea?

You have assumed I do not follow Christ's admonitions to assist, you have assumed I have something to answer for, you have assumed I

need mercy because of my inaction or your implication thereof, you have assumed way too much from my every comment - that is why I

suggest that you might be prideful and arrogant.

Praise be to God that I answer to Him and not you. He knows my heart, mind, and life, you do not.

 

Sky:
careful,"To the ones whining about "Government give away" - - you're a Christian. Christ said it is YOUR job to take care of the homeless, the poor, the hungry. If you did your jobs, the government wouldn't HAVE to do it."
We were in Rio Bravo some years back helping a church there with a summer feeding program with church funds. the meals were the only meal some of those kids would get that day. when a government official found out they cound make some money from it they took it away from the church and used gov. money raised the cost of the meals and they were not near as good as the ones which we provied. the gov. has no problem keeping the church out of "their" business when thay want to. but it will one day be turned back over to the church when the system has bankrupted itself. BTW none of my comments should have been taken the way i think you took them. hard to seen heart on the screen.

"stop judging by outward appearance."

 

Beggars can't be choosers. These people are in no position to demand anything. Everything they have now is according to the mercy of all those around them. We didn't destroy their city. God did. So if they have a gripe they need to direct it to Him. Otherwise, they should just sit down, shut up and be grateful for help they have received.

 

You are right, I am selfish, cold, negative, hard hearted and filled with hate. I have failed miserably as a Christian. I am cold to the suffering of others. I have not followed my Lord's commands.

Whats more I'm a wretch, I'm wicked, I'm discusting.

I am sitting here in sackcloth and ashes awaiting the judgment you think is due me!







NOT!

Do you have a lot of back trouble, you must, the way you squirm and twist everything I say. You should apply to polititians for a job as a spin doctor, you are the greatest.

When I say "you are the greatest" that is in the strict context of being a twister of words, so don't take my comment out of context.

Read that as my last comment on the subject because I know I will never have the last word.

 

TexasSky,

I agree that individual Christians are to help others around them. That is something that I try to do on an individual basis. However, we are also not ever commanded to do so as a government. As a matter of fact, the government does not constitutionally even have a right to give them anything. That is a right reserved for the individuals or the states. Furthermore, our history is filled with people in this country who went through terrible reversals and yet picked themselves up and rebuilt. My relatives in Oklahoma lost everything they had in the Dust Bowl. My great-grandparents, who emigrated here from Ireland during the potato famine, lived to see the little they had gained in that time give way to ruin and another famine. They did not get any help. They actually did not even leave northern Oklahoma. Instead, they scraped by and rebuilt their lives on the same dusty land that destroyed it. That spirit should be alive and well in our society today, not the spirit manifested by a hysterical woman on the news lately who proclaimed, "Who is going to pay my bills?"

 

Here is part of my Sunday School Lesson today:

Romans 2:17-23 (HCSB = Holman Christian Standard Bible)
Now if you call yourself a Jew, and rest in the law, and boast
in God,
18 and know His will, and approve the things that are superior,
being instructed from the law,
19 and are convinced that you are a guide for the blind,
a light to those in darkness,
20 an instructor of the ignorant, a teacher of the immature,
having in the law the full expression of knowledge and truth--
21 you then, who teach another, do you not teach yourself?
You who preach, "You must not steal"--do you steal?
22 You who say, "You must not commit adultery"--do you
commit adultery? You who detest idols, do you rob their temples?
23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?

 

How do you know if anyone is ignoring the words of Christ in the verses you posted?
How can you possibly know what any of us has done to help?
Fact is if we don't come on here and brag about you have no idea, yet you sit in judgement.
Gad promises to supply our basic needs, and He does,and has for the people in N.O. in many different forms.
You ask

agree with who? You?
I don't see musical instruments on that list. Would Christ deem musical instruments more important then food and water for people with nothing but the clothes on their back? Your verses don't mention musical instruments, it says food, water, clothes.
(side note, TS last week or so posted about wanting to give musical instruments and was mad becasue she was told they needed food, water,and personal supplies).
So get off your proud high horse and stop judging people for what you don't even know about them(wether or not they have done anything to help others).

 

I don't know where you are getting your information, but what I see, read, and hear, most of the help is coming from churches.

Our Union Baptist association sent a truck load of supplies to the Evangeline Baptist association in Louisiana.

Many, many Churches are helping with these people.

 

It seems to me that individual Christian's help the poor and needy alot, but we don't see the churchs as a group have programs or pantrys or whatever as much. Yes alot of churches do have them but it just seems to me that individuals go about these things on their own the majority of the time. And I think Christianity needs to get more active in helping the poor and needy and widows.

 

Believe me, TS---churches are there----helping---as groups and as individuals---and you know what??? Those churches are gonna be there and stay there and keep working there loooooong after Red Cross closes its doors and the last National Guard troop has gone home to his loved ones---churches have always been there---and have helped---and have given physical and spiritual food---and they will continue to do so until the Lord Jesus raptures us up---THEN--what will the Red Cross do????

The media ain't gonna give one ounce of glory to the church as long as it can point its camera at the Red Cross or at that Blackhawk or on that Coast Guard cutter---it doesn't see the importance of the church handing out pocket New Testaments along with their bottles of water or a nice soup meal with crackers and tea---not when there's a Coast Guard Sea Stallion "whirlin'" nearby---a little more fleshly thrill that appeases the carnal mind on the other end of the Television set!!!!