Why do we Wonder how America Got here

[Zaac]

Only a fool wouldn't recognize the truth I stated

You call Christ a liar and ignore His plain teaching that the world will hate us. You want to create a righteous world through politics, when it has long been promised that only Christ Himself will accomplish it.

:applause:

So what if this country was founded by people who are now dead? Can one generation mandate the spiritual condition of those who come later? This country is chocked full of unbelievers who are slaves to sin.

:applause:

Now, we all know you've never been unrighteous, so you might not be able to relate to how an unbeliever operates. They are slaves to sin, and you think you're going to "demand" that they treat the righteous fairly?

You need to get off your worldly, ungodly, depraved political agenda and embrace the Holy Spirit. If you are really a believer, there is almost zero evidence of it from a scriptural standpoint. You have a patently false gospel of works, you think you're going to usurp God's plan to restore righteousness - which you measure with your own rod - and call foolish those things which can be clearly demonstrated in scripture.

:applause:

And that is why the country will fall because of the false teaching that leads people to not acknowledge that their sin is sin to be repented of.

the church has aided people in believing that GOP politics is on par with God's truth and righteousness and it's not.

 

[InTheLight]

Let them take IRS tax exempt status. Maybe then some preachers will cease to be invertebrates and start preaching.

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Yes. You cannot serve God and money. Luke 16:13

 

[Don]

I did not make up that scenario
check the link:

Salty - you're still posting articles from Oct 2014. Newer information exists that proves your premise incorrect; just do a quick Google.

It's not that I don't think it could happen; it's that it hasn't happened--yet.

Second- and third-order effects of this battle are still forthcoming.

In the meantime, as much as we might want to believe otherwise, James is correct: scripture says things *have* to get bad. Doesn't mean we shouldn't speak out against it; but we shouldn't be expecting society to act like they're children of God, especially when they're not.

 

[InTheLight]

In the meantime, as much as we might want to believe otherwise, James is correct: scripture says things *have* to get bad. Doesn't mean we shouldn't speak out against it; but we shouldn't be expecting society to act like they're children of God, especially when they're not.

I think this is the proper attitude. We are the salt of the earth; doesn't mean we will always succeed.

 

[Jkdbuck76]

the church has aided people in believing that GOP politics is on par with God's truth and righteousness and it's not.

Same could be said about Jesse, Al and DNC politics.
Just sayin'.

 

[Use of Time]

Salty - you're still posting articles from Oct 2014. Newer information exists that proves your premise incorrect; just do a quick Google.

It's not that I don't think it could happen; it's that it hasn't happened--yet.

Second- and third-order effects of this battle are still forthcoming.

In the meantime, as much as we might want to believe otherwise, James is correct: scripture says things *have* to get bad. Doesn't mean we shouldn't speak out against it; but we shouldn't be expecting society to act like they're children of God, especially when they're not.

Thanks Don. I was gone all day and didn't have a chance to respond but you captured my line of thinking. Good stuff.

 

[TadQueasy]

Only a fool wouldn't recognize the truth I stated

Indeed. . .

 

[Use of Time]

Only a fool wouldn't recognize the truth I stated

You call Christ a liar and ignore His plain teaching that the world will hate us. You want to create a righteous world through politics, when it has long been promised that only Christ Himself will accomplish it.

So what if this country was founded by people who are now dead? Can one generation mandate the spiritual condition of those who come later? This country is chocked full of unbelievers who are slaves to sin.

Now, we all know you've never been unrighteous, so you might not be able to relate to how an unbeliever operates. They are slaves to sin, and you think you're going to "demand" that they treat the righteous fairly?

You need to get off your worldly, ungodly, depraved political agenda and embrace the Holy Spirit. If you are really a believer, there is almost zero evidence of it from a scriptural standpoint. You have a patently false gospel of works, you think you're going to usurp God's plan to restore righteousness - which you measure with your own rod - and call foolish those things which can be clearly demonstrated in scripture.

I feel sorry for the flock who is being misled by you.

This is a strong and powerful statement. Somewhat harsh but altogether true.

 

[Revmitchell]

Only a fool wouldn't recognize the truth I stated

You call Christ a liar and ignore His plain teaching that the world will hate us. You want to create a righteous world through politics, when it has long been promised that only Christ Himself will accomplish it.

So what if this country was founded by people who are now dead? Can one generation mandate the spiritual condition of those who come later? This country is chocked full of unbelievers who are slaves to sin.

Now, we all know you've never been unrighteous, so you might not be able to relate to how an unbeliever operates. They are slaves to sin, and you think you're going to "demand" that they treat the righteous fairly?

You need to get off your worldly, ungodly, depraved political agenda and embrace the Holy Spirit. If you are really a believer, there is almost zero evidence of it from a scriptural standpoint. You have a patently false gospel of works, you think you're going to usurp God's plan to restore righteousness - which you measure with your own rod - and call foolish those things which can be clearly demonstrated in scripture.

I feel sorry for the flock who is being misled by you.

It is often hard to know how to respond to personal attacks such as this. If we cannot disagree without rhetoric such as this then what does that say about us. Maybe you have your own issues to deal with that you do not need to try and worry about someone else. I will pray for you. I do hope you find the peace you need.

 

[JamesL]

It is often hard to know how to respond to personal attacks such as this....

Here's what your response should be....

Step 1 - go back and read the posts of everyone who commented about what I wrote.

Step 2 - take a real honest look at the agreement with my post

Step 3 - seek God about what I wrote. Seek godly council about it, from some outside of your "amen" corner.



As for you praying for me... I welcome it, and thank you for it.


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[jonathan.borland]

Only a fool wouldn't recognize the truth I stated. . . . You call Christ a liar . . . . Now, we all know you've never been unrighteous . . . . You need to get off your worldly, ungodly, depraved political agenda and embrace the Holy Spirit. If you are really a believer . . . . You have a patently false gospel of works . . . . I feel sorry for the flock who is being misled by you.

You have no business on the Baptistboard or any Christian board for that matter. Your mouth is full of slander. I'm reporting this foul post. You deserve to be banned.

 

[SolaSaint]

It will be worse than baking a cake or performing a wedding. These immoral LGBTQ people hate God. I don't know how it will manifest but they are not finished. They want God out of America.

 

[Salty]

It will be worse than baking a cake or performing a wedding. These immoral LGBTQ people hate God. I don't know how it will manifest but they are not finished. They want God out of America.

Americans have no ideal what real persecution is like.

 

[quantumfaith]

Americans have no ideal what real persecution is like.

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Don]

Our western world is too "civilized" to persecute Christians in the normal sense of "persecution." No, we'll legislate, judiciate, and regulate; that's the "civilized" way....

 

[TadQueasy]

Our western world is too "civilized" to persecute Christians in the normal sense of "persecution." No, we'll legislate, judiciate, and regulate; that's the "civilized" way....

Sadly true.

Scary to think what is coming now that pandora's box has been blown wide open

 

[Van]

I think watching the Christians being slaughtered by beheading makes persecution pretty plain to me. We have seen the bulldozers scraping bodies into mass graves of the Holocaust. And even within the body of Christ we have professing "Christians" who believe in compulsion rather than persuasion. In censoring views that differ from their own.

 

[Inspector Javert]

While the SCOTUS ruling is a slap in the face of Christians in this nation and is allowing an abomination to God occur, should we as Christians really wonder how this could happen! If we were to take a poll of how many churches have a Wednesday night service still there would be very few to answer in the affirmative. How about a Sunday Night service again very few would answer in the affirmative. There are 8760 hours in a year and if you made 1 Sunday Morning service every week that would be 52 hours. So .60% of your year would be spent serving God at worship on Sunday morning! Say you attend Sunday School too every Sunday. That would 104 hours a year, or 1.19% of your time a year. Now a little further if you were to attend SS, SM, Sunday night for an hour each that would be 156 hours a year or 1.78% of you time. Finally let’s ay you attended all these and a Wednesday Night service that would be 208 hours a year you give to God which is 2.37% of your time set apart to God. Yet People are too busy for Sunday School, barely make Sunday Morning Worship, have other things to do Sunday Evening and Wednesday Evening too busy for God and only give to God .60% of your annual life.
WE wonder why our nation has turned from God it is because Christians have. Think about it like this if you gave 10% of your time to God just 10% that would be 876 hours a year.
You spend sleeping if you get a full 8 hours in 1095 hours or 12.5%. 40 hours a week working would be 2080 hours at work or 23.74% at work. Now if we add 1 hour a week for church to your work and sleep, that would be 3227 hours a year or 36.84% of your time leaving 5533 free time or 63.16%.
If we say you attend 4 services a week, you would still have 5377 left or 61.838% and we wonder why our nation is in such a state as it is in. We fail to study and spend time in prayer we fail to attend Church like we did that those my age did in our youth. Maybe if we would see more dedicated true Christians we would see God’s blessing and less of God’s discipline upon our nation. Some Christians give that time and more but I believe the majority have failed God and God is not pleased.

Does everyone fail to realize that traditional hetero-sexual marriage is not unique to Christianity?????

I wonder if the 1+ billion people in India and the heaven knows how many billions of non-Christians in China and well, Russia, the entire Continent of Africa.....are all scratching their heads wondering what in the world is the thinking of these crazed Westerners.

You could separate Christianity entirely from the issue and historical traditional marriage would still remain the same or almost the same.

It isn't merely a "slap in the face" to Christianity, it's a slap in the face to sanity and every socio-historical tradition in the history of the world.

Do the Hindus and Sikhs spend hours in Sunday Services?
Do bushmen in Africa?
Do Buddhists in Tibet and Outer Mongolia?

Do they all inexplicably still know what the definition of "marriage" is?

 

[Inspector Javert]

I wish American "Christians" would stop trying to use Christian and American synonymously.

They're not, at least on this board.

Who cares if a court of unbelievers allows unbelievers to act like unbelievers?

Un-believers do not traditionally define marriage to include same-gender couples.....
It's Universallyabsurd no matter what the religious tradition you are coming from.

They aren't acting like Hindus
They aren't acting like Sikhs
They aren't acting like primitives in New Guinea......(who although they might eat another person.....didn't include same sex couples in their idea of "marriage".)

They aren't "acting like un-believers" they have simply lost their collective minds.......

I think now would be a good time to legalize pot.....
They couldn't become more collectively short-sighted and deranged anyways, let the drugs flow.

Why do Christians feel shocked when sinful men sin, when God says they are slaves to sin?

They don't....

They feel shocked when the highest and most prestigious Court in the land tries to tell us not only that:

1.) "same-sex marriage" is a meaningful and intelligible concept
but that
2.) It is actually protected by the U.S. Constitution.

 

[DHK]

Which hasn't happened or will happen according to the events of yesterday.

Are you sure about that?

Idaho city’s ordinance tells pastors to marry gays or go to jail

Coeur d‘Alene, Idaho, city officials have laid down the law to Christian pastors within their community, telling them bluntly via an ordinance that if they refuse to marry homosexuals, they will face jail time and fines.

The dictate comes on the heels of a legal battle with Donald and Evelyn Knapp, ordained ministers who own the Hitching Post wedding chapel in the city, but who oppose gay marriage, The Daily Caller reported.

“Many have denied that pastors would ever be forced to perform ceremonies that are completely at odds with their faith, but that’s what is happening here — and it’s happened this quickly,” Mr. Tedersco said, The Daily Caller reported.

But the city sees it differently. As far back as May, city officials were insisting that their ordinance is indeed in line with law.

“If you turn away a gay couple, refuse to provide services for them, then in theory you violated our code, and you’re looking at a potential misdemeanor citation,” said Coeur d‘Alene City Attorney Warren Wilson, to KXLY months ago.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/20/idaho-citys-ordinance-tells-pastors-to-marry-gays-/

But as one has already posted, those in America have not seen what real persecution looks like.