saturneptune
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You are correct. I changed that to "some of." How do I know? because military service, especially combat, is something people tend to keep to themselves and not interject into a debate when losing.2 Timothy2:1-4 said:
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Why does bush warmonger when even his own blood does not believe
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In the overall scheme of things, whether or not any of the Bush family is currently serving in the military, has less than nothing to do with anything I can think of concerning the war in Iraq.
It's just another APAL Bush attack. :BangHead:
It's not even a new one.
It's just another APAL Bush attack. :BangHead:
It's not even a new one.
I base it on the fact that intelligence experts, who devote their lives to the topic week in and week out have divergent opinions about what the intelligence means.
There is no way to expect informed opinions from people whose lives are devoted to other things can be expected to read or hear about the scant of amount of intellligence that is available, with all the distraction of politicos commenting on it and arguing in three minute interviews split between two people. Notice here how people's opinions are largely divided by political viewpoints.
People known for extremism on both sides generally discount in entirety the validity of intelligence reports, and those more in the mainstream see various levels of validity, some believing it all, and others believing parts but not all. But the truth is, we know a fraction of what the full-time investigators know. And that doesn't make for good opinions.
saturneptune
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The main news media (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX, major newspapers, etc) all distort the truth and report based on their agenda. Granted, this is all most Americans have as a source of information, or should I say, as far as they will search for information. Most do not even listen to the news. Sometimes, listening on short wave to other country news casts can be very eye opening.Pastor Larry said:
I agree, the politics here and other places distorts us knowing what the facts really are. It always boils down to which party deserves to be in power and rip off the American people, the republicans or democrats. The answer is neither deserve power from us.
While we have to allow a certain amount of secrecy for intelligence, sometimes I think the upper crust in Washington forgets who pays for to get that intelligence.
Terry_Herrington
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AF Guy N Paradise said:
I apologize for being so harsh, yesterday was not a good day.
saturneptune
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No it isnt. Read the above posts. The question was answered.Dragoon68 said:
Terry_Herrington said:
Apology accepted.
Look, I was in the AF nearly 10 years and really didn't know much about the world as far as our threats and enemies. When I started working with wartime plans it opened up my eyes a lot.
When I was recently stationed in Hawaii there were many classified briefings we had in the vault about our main threats in the Pacific region of the world. I was amazed at the detail of the things I learned about many issues from China to North Korea to Taiwan just to name a few.
Even after 10 years of serving I didn't understand why the US and our president did some of things they did and now I understand a little more with all of the briefings and experience I had dealing with these topics everyday.
I wasn't trying to brag or be arrogant at all. However, I still feel that a large % of the general public just don't understand what we do and why we do it. Sometimes I wish everyone could have some exposure to some of these briefings because it could change some of their views.
And try watching the Military Channel and the Pentagon Channel more. While they are not perfect, they do provide some good insight.
AF Guy N Paradise said:
Great post and thanks for your service to our great nation! You're absolutely correct in wishing people could have a bit more "inside" information. It's revealing just how off beat the general news media is when you know even a little bit about a given subject.
AF Guy N Paradise said:
Great Post!
Thanks for your service. I served in Hawaii in the Air Force many years ago. The Army is so different from the Air Force.
Someone called me arrogant because of my last post. I have been called many things, but that was a new one. I'm sorry if you felt that way.
My remarks about Iraq are not an attempt to same I know more than anyone else on this thread. It's just that each person writing comes here with their own personal experiences and judgments.
When someone commented about the military card not working here - that took me back.
My experiences are just as valid and real as anyone elses. I am not ashamed of serving in our military. During WWII there were mistakes made that cost several thousands of lives in a matter of a days. It would be nice if war could be perfect and without mistakes - but that will never happen. We have lost just over 3,000 men and women in over 4 years of combat operations. Each loss is dear, but it is nowhere near the catastrophic losses we have seen in previous wars.
Look at these statistics:
Total Casualties
Gettysburg
Federal: 23,053 Confederate: 28,063
The Seven Days
Federal 15,849 Confederate 20,614
Chickamauga
Federal 16,170 Confederate 18,454
Chancellorsville or Second Fredericksburg
Federal 16,845 Confederate 12,764
The Wilderness
Federal 17,666 Confederate 7,500
Antietam
Federal 12,410 Confederate 10,316
Second Manassas or Chantilly
Federal 16,054 Confederate 9,286
Shiloh
Federal 13,047 Confederate 10,694
Stones River
Federal 9,532 Confederate 9,239
Fredericksburg
Federal 12,653 Confederate 5,309
My prayer is that this war will end as soon as possible. But I also pray for victory and success for our Soldiers and the Iraqi people.
WW II Data
Data
Table 1--UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES TOTAL STRENGTH AND CASUALTIES
IN WORLD WAR II, DEC. 7, 1941-DEC. 31, 1946
Service--Total strength-- Battle deaths--
Army(2) 11,260,000 234,874
Navy 4,183,466 36,950
Marine Corps 669,100 19,733
Coast Guard 241,093 574
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Total 16,353,659 292,131
Praise the Lord we haven't seen these numbers in our war against Terrorism.
Data
Table 1--UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES TOTAL STRENGTH AND CASUALTIES
IN WORLD WAR II, DEC. 7, 1941-DEC. 31, 1946
Service--Total strength-- Battle deaths--
Army(2) 11,260,000 234,874
Navy 4,183,466 36,950
Marine Corps 669,100 19,733
Coast Guard 241,093 574
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 16,353,659 292,131
Praise the Lord we haven't seen these numbers in our war against Terrorism.
WW II Data
Data
Table 1--UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES TOTAL STRENGTH AND CASUALTIES
IN WORLD WAR II, DEC. 7, 1941-DEC. 31, 1946
Service--Total strength-- Battle deaths--
Army(2) 11,260,000 234,874
Navy 4,183,466 36,950
Marine Corps 669,100 19,733
Coast Guard 241,093 574
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 16,353,659 292,131
Praise the Lord we haven't seen these numbers in our war against Terrorism.
Data
Table 1--UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES TOTAL STRENGTH AND CASUALTIES
IN WORLD WAR II, DEC. 7, 1941-DEC. 31, 1946
Service--Total strength-- Battle deaths--
Army(2) 11,260,000 234,874
Navy 4,183,466 36,950
Marine Corps 669,100 19,733
Coast Guard 241,093 574
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 16,353,659 292,131
Praise the Lord we haven't seen these numbers in our war against Terrorism.