Why does Calvinism vs. Armianism dominate every thread?

[Iconoclast]

Inspector Javert

I'm not "quick" to judge motives....
I've been on B.B. for a while...(longer than you)...I know where Icon stands on issues.

I posses a grudging "respect" for Icon....he's no liberal to be sure...and there's no doubt that he loves the Christ who died for him and keeps no truck with liberals....I often love and appreciate his endorsement on the rare occasion it is forthcoming...

If we know we are bought with a price...we are brothers even when not in agreement.:thumbs:

But, I assure you, he's Calvie to the core.....and if your Theology breeches that, he'll go for your jugular.

IJ.....if someone is sincere and searching....I attempt to plant seed..[verses, links, sermons that might be used to change or modify what they understand.

If someone has a non-stop attack mode against the truth the response might be a bit more pointed. If the objector speaks against godly pastors and teachers in an unbiblical way....I will view them as enemies of the cross unless and until they show otherwise.

I am still learning much and might not be as graceful in how I interact as several others are. I know many elders who could be helpful to all of us, but they do not care to entertain some of the nonsense that takes place in here.

It would take a special sort of Mod to referee that thread...It would take a guy who both cares and doesn't care all at the same time...
Squire couldn't give a fig for the argument one way or the other, and doesn't comprehend it's importance...hence...
he simply shuts down everything from post 1....[/QUOTE]


yes he does:smilewinkgrin:

It did serve to cut down the vitriol didn't it???

No...it cut down participation.You post and the thread is closed before an answer comes

But, I'm not a Calvinist...I tend to think that Calvinists are generally Intellectually dishonest persons who are not entirely forthcoming with their motives at all times.....

Or it could seem that way to you at the point you return to your presuppostions before really wrestling with the issue at hand....maybe your friend Dconn could analyze your posting, and body language and give you his profession diagnosis

 

[Iconoclast]

Oooooh, this is the perfect spot to insert the Evil Calvinism photo I found online.



Thanks EW& F:thumbs:

Hey winman...you are critical of me for pasting links and smilies...yet in this thread you post a link and more of your cartoons......does not seem like a difference now, does it???

 

[convicted1]

I call this one "Arminian runs off Calvinist with cross" :laugh:

Actually, that Arminian's breath was putrid. Did you see that Calvinst cover his face? He couldn't stay in the same room with his free will breath. :laugh:

 

[Winman]

Actually, that Arminian's breath was putrid. Did you see that Calvinst cover his face? He couldn't stay in the same room with his free will breath. :laugh:

Stopped him dead in his tracks.

Actually, when I think about it, Dracula should be the Arminian, he is dead, yet he is still able to do all sorts of things. :laugh:

 

[JamesL]

As much as folks say they hate Cal/Arm debates, people keep starting new threads on the subject.

Yes, the Mod in the proper forum shuts 'em down quick. I don't completely blame him, they all go south quick. Why waste time when you can save it?

Nevertheless, Cal/Arm debates get more views than all other topics easy.

Nobody will believe this, but I get sick of debate many times. If I didn't think it was important, I would drop it.

It is actually guys like Evan (John) that motivates me to keep fighting Calvinism, he believes everything John MacArthur tells him. He's a good guy, I can't just sit back and let his mind be turned to mush.

It's not primarily the debates themselves, it's the STYLE of debate that many people get sick of.

And though there are some nasty comments in many debates (and I am not innocent), the Cal/Arm debaters are much more likely to attack character, motives and intellectual capacity, along with questioning the salvation of those on the other side of the dart-throwing arena.

And the pride that runs rampant among both sides, refusing to lay aside their no-holds-barred attacks, and refusing to admit offense and sin

When was the last time you apologized to a Calvinist for an offensive remark, or for posting those offensive video clips?

Not that you alone engage in it, for i have seen your honesty and intelligence unfairly questioned, too.

It's just a big mess that needs to be cleaned up - from inside the heart, not from shutting down every thread. Ignoring a problem never makes it go away

 

[Winman]

It's not primarily the debates themselves, it's the STYLE of debate that many people get sick of.

And though there are some nasty comments in many debates (and I am not innocent), the Cal/Arm debaters are much more likely to attack character, motives and intellectual capacity, along with questioning the salvation of those on the other side of the dart-throwing arena.

And the pride that runs rampant among both sides, refusing to lay aside their no-holds-barred attacks, and refusing to admit offense and sin

When was the last time you apologized to a Calvinist for an offensive remark, or for posting those offensive video clips?

Not that you alone engage in it, for i have seen your honesty and intelligence unfairly questioned, too.

It's just a big mess that needs to be cleaned up - from inside the heart, not from shutting down every thread. Ignoring a problem never makes it go away

I post the videos for fun. I am an incurable comic. Not a funny comic, just an incurable one. Sometimes a pic (or video) says more than a thousand words.

I probably should apologize at times, but truthfully, I am usually having fun when I insult someone, and I think they know it. It is not much different than when I was a teen, my best friends were the ones I insulted the most, and they insulted me back. If you are truly friends you can do that sort of thing.

And honestly, I like all the Calvinists here, though one or two can rub me wrong at times. The ones who irritate me the most are the ones who just say cliches. You know, "How can a dead man believe?" stuff like that. They know better, nobody is fooled, that is why that sort of tactic is so irritating. If you can't give a real answer, keep your yap shut.

I feel like saying, "Come on over and I'll show you how a dead man can punch you in the nose!" :laugh:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

But, I assure you, he's Calvie to the core.....and if your Theology breeches that, he'll go for your jugular.

you are right there.....exciting isnt it? :smilewinkgrin:

It would take a special sort of Mod to referee that thread...It would take a guy who both cares and doesn't care all at the same time...
Squire couldn't give a fig for the argument one way or the other, and doesn't comprehend it's importance...hence...
he simply shuts down everything from post 1....

A "Fig?" Ha ha ha...... And why should he? Anyone who has a foot in either camp could not do it justice.....so the Squire is YOUR MAN! Good choice. :smilewinkgrin:


But, I'm not a Calvinist...I tend to think that Calvinists are generally Intellectually dishonest persons who are not entirely forthcoming with their motives at all times.....

Yea, someone on here even called them cockroaches!
I will have to alert many of my relations that they are "Generally" ...... er, ahhhh....

I tend to assume that non-Calvinists are more intellectually honest with themselves and others...so the wheel turns... :thumbs:

You tend to assume ......powerful words indeed. :laugh:

 

[Inspector Javert]

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QUOTE=Iconoclast;2111553]Inspector Javert


If we know we are bought with a price...we are brothers even when not in agreement.:thumbs:

Yeah....I suppose we are brothers Icon...(gurgle, gurgle....angry angry....gurgle, gurgle)...

If someone has a non-stop attack mode against the truth the response might be a bit more pointed. If the objector speaks against godly pastors and teachers in an unbiblical way....I will view them as enemies of the cross unless and until they show otherwise.

This may sound a little weird to you...but, as one of those "pastors" or "teachers" of the flock....I actually tend to feel more free to make hay against others....
I do "teach" and "preach" at my local Assemby and others, and I tend to quote and similarly lambast any other as I see fit.....

There's likely a difference of point of view here:
I teach and preach regularly....and although I tend to be respectful....I often lambast the teachings of any other servant of God quite freely, and feel no guilt for doing so....

It doesn't bother me in the least when I (as an invited preacher at a non-Calvinist Church) lambast or make hay of anything said by Pink or Boettner or even Spurgeon....

I have, in any given scenario, as the teaching elder as much right to say as I will either for or against any OTHER teaching no matter how old it may be...
I can say of John Calvin as I will...
I can say of Spurgeon as I will....
I'm often the one in the position of teaching and preaching from the pulpit.

Thus, I only fear God...not the condemnations of mere man....
I often say as I will from one of God's Pulpits....
I have as much right as anyone:
So, I don't feel that I am in the wrong when I use a polemic against another teaching...

I'm as authorized by God to stand in his pulpit as any other...

That's the infuriatingly significant thing about being a "BAPTIST"

I am still learning much and might not be as graceful in how I interact as several others are.

Welcome to my world...
Full of conviction....

not particularly given to sweet-talking your way around it...

NOTHING wrong with that Icon.
Speak to conviction.

No...it cut down participation.You post and the thread is closed before an answer comes

B.B. doesn't have an answer yet for how to moderate intense Cal/Arm debate....
That isn't easy...
Squire wasn't the answer...
He simply shut down every thread at the moment of it's creation...

Well, I don't claim it's easy....

I think it takes a special person to pull it off.

Or it could seem that way to you at the point you return to your presuppostions before really wrestling with the issue at hand....maybe your friend Dconn could analyze your posting, and body language and give you his profession diagnosis

Meh...maybe...
but I like logic...

I feel that an intellectually honest Calvie admits that God simply DOESN'T LOVE a lot of people....

What I think is womanish trash is this idea that God.."Loves them...sure...but just 'differently' "...that's John Shelby Spong talk I.M.O...

Either you're a Calvinist or you're not...no room for the Spong speech...

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It's not primarily the debates themselves, it's the STYLE of debate that many people get sick of.

It's just a big mess that needs to be cleaned up - from inside the heart, not from shutting down every thread. Ignoring a problem never makes it go away

Your joking Right!

 

[Winman]

Yea, someone on here even called them cockroaches!
I will have to alert many of my relations that they are "Generally" ...... er, ahhhh....



You tend to assume ......powerful words indeed. :laugh:

I did not call anybody a cockroach. One Calvinist thought he was being cute and said something like "If you could get rid of Calvinists, the world wouldn't have any problems would it?"

Now that is too easy, you have to take that three pointer if they leave you wide open. So I responded,

"No, we would still have cockroaches."

That is not calling anyone a name. I was just being funny. But obviously many Calvinists lack my great sense of humor. But I was just being funny, because I can.

 

[Inspector Javert]

Yea, someone on here even called them cockroaches!
I will have to alert many of my relations that they are "Generally" ...... er, ahhhh....



You tend to assume ......powerful words indeed. :laugh:

Keep drinking....

Drink yourself into meaningfulness....
That feeling of your brain literally swimming inside your head...that isn't too much...

it's you being veritably BRILLIANT!!!!

Go on with the "Doctines of Grace"... be a shining example of them why don't cha'....

 

[Inspector Javert]

I did not call anybody a cockroach. One Calvinist thought he was being cute and said something like "If you could get rid of Calvinists, the world wouldn't have any problems would it?"

Now that is too easy, you have to take that three pointer if they leave you wide open. So I responded,

"No, we would still have cockroaches."

That is not calling anyone a name. I was just being funny. But obviously many Calvinists lack my great sense of humor. But I was just being funny, because I can.

He's drunk out of his gourd...
don't bother.