Why does one lose their salvation?

[TC]

For those that believe you can loose your salvation, what is that magic number of sins that puts you back into the unsaved bracket? What is your scriptural suport for that number and how do you know that you have not crossed it and are deceiving yourselves into thinking you are still saved?

Jesus said that He would in no wise cast out those that come to Him, and He will never leave us or forsake us. We are in His hand and no one (not even we ourselves) can pluck us out.

 

[EdSutton]

Psalm109 wrote:

God will finish the great work with us, but if we disown Him, He will disown us.

Uh, got a chapter and verse on this one?

Ed

 

[Soulman]

By the same reasoning, if we can choose of our own free will to be saved, then we can also choose of our own free will to get unsaved after we've been saved.

The bible does not support that logic. Christ is the second Adam. We have a choice to accept or to reject. There is not a return policy in the bible.

 

[EdSutton]

RE: Why does one lose their salvation?

Psalm109 wrote:

Quote:
God will finish the great work with us, but if we disown Him, He will disown us.

Uh, got a chapter and verse on this one?

Ed

Oh yeah, please don't sub "deny" for "disown", here. Thanks,

Edhttp://www.baptistboard.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=820018

 

[EdSutton]

The bible does not support that logic. Christ is the second Adam. We have a choice to accept or to reject. There is not a return policy in the bible.

I like the last line, here.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

For those that believe you can loose your salvation, what is that magic number of sins that puts you back into the unsaved bracket? What is your scriptural suport for that number and how do you know that you have not crossed it and are deceiving yourselves into thinking you are still saved?

Jesus said that He would in no wise cast out those that come to Him, and He will never leave us or forsake us. We are in His hand and no one (not even we ourselves) can pluck us out.

Amen, bro.

Ed

 

[Rex77]

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For those that believe you can loose your salvation, what is that magic number of sins that puts you back into the unsaved bracket? What is your scriptural suport for that number and how do you know that you have not crossed it and are deceiving yourselves into thinking you are still saved?

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It's an unkown number of sins, which are unknown, committed by somebody else.:saint:

 

[Hope of Glory]

Hunh?? Explain. What is the difference in these words aside from the part of speech, at least translated into English? Believe is the translation of " πιστευ'ω " the verb form, and faith is the translation of " πισ'τις ", the noun form, both from the same root. Let's not make a distinction that is not there.

Ed

The distinction is there. "Faith" is a noun; if we are faithful, we are bearing fruit. We are to walk by faith. ("Believe" as a present, active, participle can be synonymous with "faith".)

What must I do to be saved? Believe.

But, how do I live? The just shall live by faith. We live by faith so we can serve God acceptably.

 

[EdSutton]

The distinction is there. "Faith" is a noun; if we are faithful, we are bearing fruit. We are to walk by faith. ("Believe" as a present, active, participle can be synonymous with "faith".)

What must I do to be saved? Believe.

But, how do I live? The just shall live by faith. We live by faith so we can serve God acceptably.

I agree up to the point of equating "faith' with 'faithful'. To have 'faith' os one thing, as in believe' To be 'faithful' is another ball of wax.

Ed

 

[Pipedude]

Oh yeah, please don't sub "deny" for "disown", here. Thanks,

But it doesn't matter, Ed. If the verse were worded "he will disown us," it wouldn't take an OSAS guy five seconds to construct an explanation that preserved the doctrine of OSAS.

Once you know the truth, handling the leftover verses is child's play.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Luke 15:4 4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

Just as the shepherd will look for the sheep that is lost and will bring in back into the fold, even so will the Chief Shepherd of our souls bring us back into His fold.

The Psalmist wrote in the 100th Psalm that 'We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.' We are His sheep, and as such, are His purchased possession.

If we stray, we can expect chastising, but not rejection. For the Lord chastens whom He loveth. If one does not feel the chastening hand of the Lord when one strays, that does not mean that one has lost one's salvation. It means that one was never truly a sheep in the first place.

That one was a hypocrite, an actor... pretending to be a sheep. Pretending to be one of God's own. Professing with the lips, yet not living the life, not writing God's laws on one's heart.

No, one can never, ever lose one's salvation.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

StandingfirminChrist,

The context of Luke 15:1-10 is apply to pastors, not Jesus. Of course, Christ is our shepherd. But the three passages of Luke chapter 15 tells us, a person was saved in the place. Shepherd already own all 100 sheep in the gate. A lady own all ten coins in the first place. Ftaher owns two sons in the first place.

When the shepherd calls sheep to come into the fence, he counts them all, to make sure that he does not lost a sheep. At the first place, he already own 100 sheep. When after he counts them, he realizes there is a missing sheep. He have to go to looking to find a lost sheep in the forest. Same with pastors, their responsible to bring backslidder back to the Lord. Too many pastors failed, allow many people astray away from the Lord, many are not back to the Lord. Many are remain lost.

The lady already own all ten coins in the first place. One day, she decides go to the store to buy something. So, she needs to bring all her ten coins. But, she realizes there's a missing coin. So, she have to look for to find a lost coin. If suppose she cannot find it, and then give up. Then she lost coin for good.

Father already own two sons at the first place. One day, his young son decides want to depart his father, go on his own way. He tells his father, for being demand give possession to him. So, father give possession to his young son, let son go. While the son gones in his own way, he become lost and dead. One day, he realizes that he is misery and sinned against his father. So, he decides repent and turn back to his father. A young son decides go home return to his father. When the father sees his young son coming, he immediately run toward his young son. A young son confesses his sins to his father. Father forgives his son's sins. Father says, that son was lost and dead, but now is alive AGAIN.

The first of two passages of Luke chapter 15 deals with our responsible toward people who turn away from the Lord, to bring them back to the Lord again like as discipleship. Many of us failed them. We allow them go away from the Lord, are on the way to hell.

The last and third of passages of Luke chapter 15 deals with every individuals of our sins that we should repent our sins and turn back to the Lord.

Many of them who was with the Lord in their early Christian life, are now backslidding and turn away from the Lord, most of them never turn back to the Lord, are remain LOST and DEAD- period.

Obivously, Luke chapter 15 teaches us, it is conditional salvation with our responsible and decisions. These do not prove us, as it supports OSAS doctrine.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[EdSutton]

And no work that any man could do, either good or bad, could gain him everlasting salvation, keep his salvation, or prove his salvation.

Yet, many people still try to apply works to spiritual salvation.

Zackly!!!

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

StandingfirminChrist,

The context of Luke 15:1-10 is apply to pastors, not Jesus. Of course, Christ is our shepherd. But the three passages of Luke chapter 15 tells us, a person was saved in the place. Shepherd already own all 100 sheep in the gate. A lady own all ten coins in the first place. Ftaher owns two sons in the first place.

When the shepherd calls sheep to come into the fence, he counts them all, to make sure that he does not lost a sheep. At the first place, he already own 100 sheep. When after he counts them, he realizes there is a missing sheep. He have to go to looking to find a lost sheep in the forest. Same with pastors, their responsible to bring backslidder back to the Lord. Too many pastors failed, allow many people astray away from the Lord, many are not back to the Lord. Many are remain lost.

The lady already own all ten coins in the first place. One day, she decides go to the store to buy something. So, she needs to bring all her ten coins. But, she realizes there's a missing coin. So, she have to look for to find a lost coin. If suppose she cannot find it, and then give up. Then she lost coin for good.

Father already own two sons at the first place. One day, his young son decides want to depart his father, go on his own way. He tells his father, for being demand give possession to him. So, father give possession to his young son, let son go. While the son gones in his own way, he become lost and dead. One day, he realizes that he is misery and sinned against his father. So, he decides repent and turn back to his father. A young son decides go home return to his father. When the father sees his young son coming, he immediately run toward his young son. A young son confesses his sins to his father. Father forgives his son's sins. Father says, that son was lost and dead, but now is alive AGAIN.

The first of two passages of Luke chapter 15 deals with our responsible toward people who turn away from the Lord, to bring them back to the Lord again like as discipleship. Many of us failed them. We allow them go away from the Lord, are on the way to hell.

The last and third of passages of Luke chapter 15 deals with every individuals of our sins that we should repent our sins and turn back to the Lord.

Many of them who was with the Lord in their early Christian life, are now backslidding and turn away from the Lord, most of them never turn back to the Lord, are remain LOST and DEAD- period.

Obivously, Luke chapter 15 teaches us, it is conditional salvation with our responsible and decisions. These do not prove us, as it supports OSAS doctrine.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

Uh, which one of the two sons was 'lost' in your theology? Did you not notice that neither son was on the same page as the father? Note also that the father only 'waited' and looked, for the one son to return from the far country, but went out to personally plead with the one who had been at his side the whole time, that judgmental, coveteous bigot, who obviously never heard of the Scripture that read, "Judge not, lest you be judged". I believe that this account, not a parable incidentally, shows that one could be just as far out of fellowship with his human father while standing right beside him, as far as one could be, who was physically removed to 'a far country'. Also note that neither son ever stopped being a son, no matter where he was. And FTR, the father did not "own" two sons, in the sense, that the other two 'owned' the sheep or the coin. BTW, Sunday, my pastor preached on the older brother, and last Sunday on the younger brother, as he currently happens to be preaching through Luke on Sunday mornings.

Ed

 

[2BHizown]

http://gregscouch.homestead.com/files/eternalsecurity.htm

views on losing one's salvation are varied!

 

[gb93433]

I have two church members that believe that if a saint sins enough and does not repent then he will lose his salvation. They are both dear people and faithful in every way.

Often the people who believe you can lose your salvation also believe that salavtion is gained by faith in Christ but lost by works.

 

[kjv1611]

A better question to help would be - What happens to you SCRIPTUALLY when you trust in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. After you compile that list with verses you will see it is HIS work. To say one can lose there salvation after that study is a feat.

 

[lbaker]

Hello Jeff,

Not to start a debate, but to promote understanding - here's my take on your question.

We can't outsin Grace - period.

But, we still have free will, and while we can't "lose" our salvation we can walk away from Jesus if we choose to do so.

By "walk away" I mean turn to a works-based religion, or embrace heresy, i.e. gnosticism or some such, or simply decide that we wish to become a muslim, or hindu, etc., or simply decide we no longer believe in Christ.

I think saying that someone who does that was never saved in the first place turns eternal security on its head and makes it more like eternal insecurity. Or at least if we take that approach, we can never really, really, be sure we're saved until we're safely dead without having walked away.

Anyway, my two cents worth.

Les

 

[Brother Bob]

Sure hard for me to believe that the blood of Jesus was just poured on some instead of cleansing their sins.

 

[David Michael Harris]

I am a pastor of a small church. I believe and teach the the believer is eternally secure. However if you have two baptists in a room you'll have at least three opinions.

I have two church members that believe that if a saint sins enough and does not repent then he will lose his salvation. They are both dear people and faithful in every way.

I have always felt that the answer to the question, "Can you lose your salvation," is not a litmus test for christianity or orthodoxy.

I ask the question not to neccesarly debate the issue but to gain a better understanding of this belief.


:type:

I do not believe that you can lose your Salvation. Saying that, there is one part of Scripture that frightens me and it is not to be found in Hebrews.

God has authority to cast into Gehenna.

Look at the parable of the unfaithful servant.

David