Why I am not a Calvinist....

[TCassidy]

And once again you prove you do not understand the difference between the death of Christ and His Atonement. You continue to conflate the two.

 

[Iconoclast]

Saved-By-Grace

It is like those who call themselves, "5 Point Calvinists", who are deluded into thinking that all these "points" have the "blessing" of John Calvin!

I have never heard anyone say such a thing...what does this even mean...to you?

This is wishful thinking as Calvin did NOT believe in or teach, any "limitation" on the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ, that He died only for the "elect"; or as some think, the "elite"[/QUOTE].
Could you post where a Calvinist says anything about the "elite"?
The Puritans were Calvinists.....have you read many of them? Could you offer some direct quotes on this?

God loves the entire human race, as clearly taught in Scriptures like John 3:16

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The love of God extends worldwide...it did not stay confined to the nation of Israel. In fact...the scripture indicates where the love of God is......
It is IN Christ, and In the heart of believers by the Holy Spirit who indwells believers;
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This is where in the world the love of God is found.

and Jesus Christ came and died for this entire human race,

Not in scripture....when Jesus died on the cross...was he dying for those who were drowned in the flood? How about Goliath? Explain how that works

so that ANYONE who REPENTS and BELIEVES in the Gospel, will be saved.

this is true...

God, says the Bible, does not desire the death of the wicked,

He takes no pleasure in it...but they will perish in the second death for sure apart from repentance and faith.

but wants them to repent and live forever

It would not upset God if men desired to turn from sin....He has commanded them to do just that
The problem is.....when God looked over the situation here is what appeared;
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

(Ezekiel 18:18-32; 33:7-20; the Book of Jonah; 1 Timothy 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9); not so, says the Calvinists, only a "select few", whom they say, can be saved.

Can you show a post that says this?
I can find many posts that point out the scriptural language of a multitude being saved by God...
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.

I thank God that His Word tells ALL who want salvation, that they CAN in the Lord Jesus Christ!

yes...every believing one will be saved.

 

[Iconoclast]

Why even post that? You have ignorant non-Cals and ignorant Cals. Why find the worst you can and link it?

Hello Reynolds,
I was just looking at anti cal speakers....everyone of them is bogus
this clown, adrian rogers, walls, flowers are all pathetic...do you have one you think is good...go ahead and post it.
This is what I found online.....I am glad you see how foolish this man is...

 

[agedman]

Now you are speaking in contradictions! You say that the blood of Jesus was shed for all; and then, this does not prevent God from electing some to election. What is the purpose for His death for ALL, if He has made it sure that He has selected only a few to be saved? This is a pretense! God is not sincere in His actions, which is impossible

There are different aspects of the crucifixion that run from the entry on a donkey that had never been ridden before, to that appearance by the Christ in the upper room.

The cross was one aspect, the death an aspect, the blood shed from the garden to the tomb an aspect, the resurrection an aspect, and so forth.

You seem to desire God as being under obligation(s) according to human perspectives and determinations, but He is not. It is obvious that He purposes according to His own design, and such is not to be even questioned by the clay no matter of what that clay is designed.

It is also true that God is loving in all aspects of His creation. You have the ability to see were others are made incapable, you feel we’re others are numb. God is not impressed with bricks and mortar, with human engineering, nor is He subject to human contrivances and manipulation.

His Word presents the truth that the blood was shed for all.
His Word presents that of the all, many will be saved but not all.
His Word presents that the many are elected prior to even creation.
His Word presents that the many will both be preserved and persevere..
His Word presents that all are so desperately wicked that their hearts and minds are blinded through the Spiritual things.
His Word presents that God chooses those that will be saved.

Each of those items are basic to Scripture truth. The farther one moves to manipulating them, the more into the land of error one strides.

What is deplorable is when one argues against such things as the list above, then they are in great danger of being lead into error. This is exactly Wells condition, and it would be wise to not find your own self in such error.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

And once again you prove you do not understand the difference between the death of Christ and His Atonement. You continue to conflate the two.

"And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation" (Mark 16:15)

Are these words meant to be that the entire human race, except none, should have the Gospel preached to?

 

[Yeshua1]

Calvinism does not survive the test of scripture.


John 1:11 “He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him NOT”


"God so loved the WORLD that HE gave" John 3:16.

"God is not WILLING that ANY should perish" 2Peter 3.

God knew Judas would fail - and yet he washed his feet.

God knew His own would reject Him - and yet He came to them and yet he weeps over them in places like Matt 23. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem.. how I wanted to save your children...but YOU would not"


Matt 23
37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!

Hosea 11
:7 So My people are bent on turning from Me.
Though they call them to the One on high,
None at all exalts Him.
8 How can I give you up, O Ephraim?
How can I surrender you, O Israel?
How can I make you like Admah?
How can I treat you like Zeboiim?
My heart is turned over within Me,
All My compassions are kindled.

Ezek 18
30“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord GOD. “Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.
31“Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
32“For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord GOD. “Therefore, repent and LIVE!"

"He came to HIS OWN and HIS OWN received Him not" John 1:11

2Cor 5
18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Calvinism is supported by the Bible, but Sda theology rests upon the sinking sand of EW period!

 

[Yeshua1]

"And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation" (Mark 16:15)

Are these words meant to be that the entire human race, except none, should have the Gospel preached to?

God has ordained the Gospel message as the means by which the Holy Spirit brings the Elect to new life in Christ, so all are to hear it!

 

[Iconoclast]

"And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation" (Mark 16:15)

Are these words meant to be that the entire human race, except none, should have the Gospel preached to?

The gospel is freely offered to all....why would you think otherwise?

 

[BobRyan]

Calvinism does not survive the test of scripture.


John 1:11 “He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him NOT”


"God so loved the WORLD that HE gave" John 3:16.

"God is not WILLING that ANY should perish" 2Peter 3.

God knew Judas would fail - and yet he washed his feet.

God knew His own would reject Him - and yet He came to them and yet he weeps over them in places like Matt 23. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem.. how I wanted to save your children...but YOU would not"


Matt 23
37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!

Hosea 11
:7 So My people are bent on turning from Me.
Though they call them to the One on high,
None at all exalts Him.
8 How can I give you up, O Ephraim?
How can I surrender you, O Israel?
How can I make you like Admah?
How can I treat you like Zeboiim?
My heart is turned over within Me,
All My compassions are kindled.

Ezek 18
30“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord GOD. “Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.
31“Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
32“For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord GOD. “Therefore, repent and LIVE!"

"He came to HIS OWN and HIS OWN received Him not" John 1:11

2Cor 5
18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

your off topic spam .

There you have it folks... all scripture that refutes Calvinism is "spam".

I love the circular logic in that post.

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

Calvinism is supported by the Bible, but Sda theology rests upon the sinking sand of EW period!

You are very mistaken to assume that Calvinism, is supported by the teachings of the Holy Bible. Jesus Christ "tasted death for all men", so that the whole of mankind, without exception, has the very possibility of being saved. No human being will end up lost and in hell, because God has not "provided" for their salvation in the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ; but, because sinners will not accept God's Righteous terms for their salvation. Calvinism teaches that only the "elect" will be saved, because these only were included in Christ's death. There is a contradiction between the Holy Bible and Calvinism here.

 

[BobRyan]

Calvinism does not survive the test of scripture.


John 1:11 “He came to His OWN and His OWN received Him NOT”


"God so loved the WORLD that HE gave" John 3:16.

"God is not WILLING that ANY should perish" 2Peter 3.

God knew Judas would fail - and yet he washed his feet.

God knew His own would reject Him - and yet He came to them and yet he weeps over them in places like Matt 23. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem.. how I wanted to save your children...but YOU would not"


Matt 23
37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
38“Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!

Hosea 11
:7 So My people are bent on turning from Me.
Though they call them to the One on high,
None at all exalts Him.
8 How can I give you up, O Ephraim?
How can I surrender you, O Israel?
How can I make you like Admah?
How can I treat you like Zeboiim?
My heart is turned over within Me,
All My compassions are kindled.

Ezek 18
30“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord GOD. “Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.
31“Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?
32“For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord GOD. “Therefore, repent and LIVE!"

"He came to HIS OWN and HIS OWN received Him not" John 1:11

2Cor 5
18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Calvinism is supported by the Bible

"no matter what the Bible says to the contrary"???

 

[agedman]

The gospel is freely offered to all....why would you think otherwise?

There are always those who would allow human manipulation ability sufficiently capable os swaying the purpose of God.

Too there are those who would think the offer of salvation is counterfeit unless a person has the power to respond.

Not realizing all do respond, most like characters found in Scriptures! “What! You think I will be persuaded with such little argument?” “The fool has said in his heart, ‘No, God!”

 

[Iconoclast]

There you have it folks... all scripture that refutes Calvinism is "spam".

I love the circular logic in that post.

None of the scripture you misunderstand refutes anything....your posts are off topic

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

The gospel is freely offered to all....why would you think otherwise?

I don't. But here is the real problem of Calvinism. The Gospel Message is to be preached to the entire human race, but, by design, the whole human race can never be saved, because Jesus Christ did not make provision for the whole human race when He died. His death is deemed as "particular", for the sins of the "elect" only. How then is there any Good News for the non-elect? are we to tell them, by the way, I have some very Good News for you, Jesus Christ did not "provide" for you in His death and therefore you cannot be saved, and you are damned to eternal hell. You simply cannot have it both ways. The preaching of the Good News to the whole human race, can only be sincere, if God made provision for ALL their sins in the death of Jesus Christ. saying that Jesus' death was "sufficient" for all, is not Scripture, but a Calvinistic cop out!

 

[Iconoclast]

There are always those who would allow human manipulation ability sufficiently capable os swaying the purpose of God.

Too there are those who would think the offer of salvation is counterfeit unless a person has the power to respond.

Not realizing all do respond, most like characters found in Scriptures! “What! You think I will be persuaded with such little argument?” “The fool has said in his heart, ‘No, God!”

yes...here is the response of the natural man....

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

 

[agedman]

"no matter what the Bible says to the contrary"???

I suggest that Scriptures are not contrary, but how those who do not attend to correct assertions when rendering Scriptures can most certainly can be contrary.

For example: Nicodemus.

 

[Yeshua1]

You are very mistaken to assume that Calvinism, is supported by the teachings of the Holy Bible. Jesus Christ "tasted death for all men", so that the whole of mankind, without exception, has the very possibility of being saved. No human being will end up lost and in hell, because God has not "provided" for their salvation in the Death of the Lord Jesus Christ; but, because sinners will not accept God's Righteous terms for their salvation. Calvinism teaches that only the "elect" will be saved, because these only were included in Christ's death. There is a contradiction between the Holy Bible and Calvinism here.

Either God has ordained a certain salvation for some, his elect, or else God will to save all keeps being jammed up by our free will!

 

[Yeshua1]

"no matter what the Bible says to the contrary"???

No, rather its contrary to your misunderstanding of the Bible!

 

[Saved-By-Grace]

God has ordained the Gospel message as the means by which the Holy Spirit brings the Elect to new life in Christ, so all are to hear it!

Are you saying that God cannot have the Gospel Message taken to the elect only, Who He knows will respond and be saved? Why all the sham in telling the whole world that they can, if they want to, be saved, knowing full well that this is nothing but a downright LIE?

 

[agedman]

I don't. But here is the real problem of Calvinism. The Gospel Message is to be preached to the entire human race, but, by design, the whole human race can never be saved, because Jesus Christ did not make provision for the whole human race when He died. His death is deemed as "particular", for the sins of the "elect" only. How then is there any Good News for the non-elect? are we to tell them, by the way, I have some very Good News for you, Jesus Christ did not "provide" for you in His death and therefore you cannot be saved, and you are damned to eternal hell. You simply cannot have it both ways. The preaching of the Good News to the whole human race, can only be sincere, if God made provision for ALL their sins in the death of Jesus Christ. saying that Jesus' death was "sufficient" for all, is not Scripture, but a Calvinistic cop out!

Frankly, I do not know that I have read or heard a sermon that limited the appeal of the gospel to only a select few.

The Calvinistic thinking have no indication of who the elect are, so all are presented the gospel.