What will you do when God doesn't accomplish your plan for the US.
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Why I will not accept Joe Biden as president
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Being that I don't suffer from TDS along a bad case of Determinism on the brain that places the evil in the world upon Him, I would figure that God has left it up to the Free Will of man and would pray that He uses it for good.
Do you worship a God who doesn't have authority over all things? Is there places in the universe that are God-free zones?
Job 42:1-6,11
Then Job answered the Lord and said: “I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted. ‘Who is this that hides counsel without knowledge?’ Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, things too wonderful for me, which I did not know. ‘Hear, and I will speak; I will question you, and you make it known to me.’ I had heard of you by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye sees you; therefore I despise myself, and repent in dust and ashes.”
Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house. And they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him. And each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold.
disrespect Trump = putting the LORD above Donald Trump
disrespect Biden = violating Romans 13
(sigh) This again. Never saw much Romans 13 talk here to the neverTrumpers but here it is again - my study Bible reads:
"God commands Christians to obey the state, for the state is an institution is ordained and established by God. God has instituted government because in this fallen world we need certain restraints to protect us from the chaos and lawlessness that is a natural result of sin...Paul describes government as it should be. When it abandons its proper function, it is no longer from God nor operating according to his purpose. For example, when the state requires something contrary to God's Word, Christians must obey God rather than other humans (Acts 5:20 which reads 'Peter and the other Apostles replied: We must obey God rather than men!')
That about sums up my outlook on this but IF Biden is installed as POTUS, and it looks to be almost certain that he will be, I will think God put him there, despite all the election fraud it took to do so, for reasons I probably never be able to understand, and that won't matter.
disrespect Biden = violating Romans 13
(sigh) This again. Never saw much Romans 13 talk here to the neverTrumpers but here it is again - my study Bible reads:
"God commands Christians to obey the state, for the state is an institution is ordained and established by God. God has instituted government because in this fallen world we need certain restraints to protect us from the chaos and lawlessness that is a natural result of sin...Paul describes government as it should be. When it abandons its proper function, it is no longer from God nor operating according to his purpose. For example, when the state requires something contrary to God's Word, Christians must obey God rather than other humans (Acts 5:20 which reads 'Peter and the other Apostles replied: We must obey God rather than men!')
That about sums up my outlook on this but IF Biden is installed as POTUS, and it looks to be almost certain that he will be, I will think God put him there, despite all the election fraud it took to do so, for reasons I probably never be able to understand, and that won't matter.
God having Providential Sovereign Authority and having to determine all things, including evil, is two different things. My God is powerful enough to divinely create men with Human Volition and to interact with them while not being responsible for the evil that they do (which would lead to Theological Fatalism) although in His love He did provide grace to whosoever believes on His Son.
Always gets me when I hear a Determinist use it for an excuse for allowing evil.
Jas 1:12-14 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. (13) Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
I agree except for the first statement. We (Christians) recognize the appointed powers regardless of which party they come from. Neither the GOP or the DNC are ambassadors for God or represent God's kingdom. But both have been put in power at various times by God.
Frankly, I am not sure why God allows either to exist, but that is beyond my pay grade.
No one denies human volition (though no one has the capacity to save themselves by choosing God). However, human volition can never do something that God does not allow to happen (see the thread on Balaam). God allows sin to happen. God works in every sinner to weave His perfect masterpiece. The dark threads are used by God along with the bright threads.
It's too bad you cannot trust God's use of sinners to accomplish His will. I am of the mindset that one of the reasons for the vast amount of genealogies in the Bible is to show us how God weaved His promised Messiah in and through the wickedness of humankind.
Please, don't belittle God by denying His ordination of sinners to accomplish His perfect will.
You do, logically that is. Sorry, I don't buy into the Determinist' view of Compatibility wherein their "logic" tries to suggest that Human Volition can be both, true and not true.
Strawman.
You are a very confused person. Read my signature, that might help you to see your failure in basic logic.
I'm well aware of the Determinist "Logic" of begging the question on Determinism, in fact, it comes up so often that I have this prepared example for such an occasion to expose the fallacy:
Bill C: “God determined all things that ever happen, He is Sovereign."
Bob A: "Did God determine the things Jeffrey Dahmer did?"
Bill C: "No, Jeffrey Dahmer did what he did because of his nature."
Bob A: "Who determined Jeffrey Dahmer’s nature?"
Bill C: "God did, He determines all things, He is Sovereign."
Another strawman, ...what a surprise!...
Good for you.
Yet, another strawman that begs the question on Determinism while attempting to be condescending ...
My Determinist friend, you are trying to school the wrong person. You'll never convince me of your preferred choice here being a predetermined event as your excuse for being so accepting of it...
Benjamin, you seem to think the Bible should fit your philosophy class.You do, logically that is. Sorry, I don't buy into the Determinist' view of Compatibility wherein their "logic" tries to suggest that Human Volition can be both, true and not true.
Strawman.
You are a very confused person. Read my signature, that might help you to see your failure in basic logic.
I'm well aware of the Determinist "Logic" of begging the question on Determinism, in fact, it comes up so often that I have this prepared example for such an occasion to expose the fallacy:
Bill C: “God determined all things that ever happen, He is Sovereign."
Bob A: "Did God determine the things Jeffrey Dahmer did?"
Bill C: "No, Jeffrey Dahmer did what he did because of his nature."
Bob A: "Who determined Jeffrey Dahmer’s nature?"
Bill C: "God did, He determines all things, He is Sovereign."
Another strawman, ...what a surprise!...
Good for you.
Yet, another strawman that begs the question on Determinism while attempting to be condescending ...
My Determinist friend, you are trying to school the wrong person. You'll never convince me of your preferred choice here being a predetermined event as your excuse for being so accepting of it...
You can come up with a thousand reasons to ignore what God says. What I know is that predestination is taught by God. What I know is that God's Sovereignty in all things is taught in the Bible. In fact I provided scripture for you. So, your strawman is your leaning on philosophy rather than trusting what God actually tells you.
So run off now and play with your philosophy while you ignore what God tells you.
Let me know when you are ready to put away your strawman.
Who said that?
Ntchristian.
We cannot get around the fact Romans 13 states that "there is no power but from God; the powers that be are ordained by God."
If Biden becomes President then it is because God has ordained him to become President.
Doesnt mean that individuals are singularly ordained by God
Individuals are singularly ordained by God in Scripture (I think this is obvious looking at king Saul). But in the context of this thread I am speaking of governments and administrations (the Biden administration, the Trump administration, the DNC, the GOP....the powers of this world which are evil but yet ordained for God's purposes).
I am not sure that we can divorce the administration from the person. God ordained Cyrus (the only pagan to be called "messiah" or "anointed" that I know of). But all of this is for God's purposes.
We can argue that God did not want Trump to be President, did not ordain Trump to be President, but only ordained Trump's presidency.....but I am not sure that that makes any sense.
That said, if you prefer to say God ordained the Trump-Pence administration but not Donald Trump to be President and Pence to be VP, then I do not object. I think we'd be acknowledging the same passage but I'm not exactly sure that your position makes any difference. The same would be said if Biden becomes President (or whoever becomes President....i.e., whatever administration takes the White House). Scripture remains applicable in these cases, regardless of which power is in place.
With that said I'll leave you to it. Good luck with it.
My hope is in neither political party..... I'm not the one needing luck
(Monday morning attempt at humor)
God just allows some things. He is not responsible for putting evil governments in power.
That’s a smear. The SBC is run by Democrats. A lot of common people are Christians and they vote Republican because of the abortion issue.
What makes you blame Biden on God? Is that Calvinism?
What sinful behaviour?
That's a smear. The SBC is not run by Democrats (there are Democrats, but they are still a minority in SBC leadership and even a smaller minority in SBC congregations).
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