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Why I will not accept Joe Biden as president

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AustinC

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No, you made your point already that they were all bad because we are all totally depraved. That is why God is taking us to the point of no return with Harris.
Yes, all humans are bad in light of God's holiness. Some people act more wickedly than others. Those person's who are chosen unto redemption to be the children of God are found in Christ. Those who are not chosen unto redemption are bound in the shackles of sin.
President Trump has declared that he has no need to repent. Such a declaration and refusal seems to negate his claim to be a Christian.
Ben Sasse has reported how President Trump mocks Christians behind closed doors.
In my perspective we are going from one godless leader to yet another godless leader. I will pray for both and accept whomever God places in authority.
 

Benjamin

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Ah....your imagination is running away with you again. Who said anything about predestination????
Ah, ...there you are running away from your own positions again. A Calvinist who is not Calvinist, A Liberal who is not a Liberal, a Predestinarian that is not a Predestinarian and a Determinist that is not a Determinist – but only when suits you to stay in your closet. ;) …And one need only read the thread more carefully to simply understand why I addressed the views of predestination.
I am saying that the God establishes all authority. You are saying God does not. The Bible says that God establishes all authority.
Learn the difference between Providential Establishment and Deterministic Establishment and you may begin to understand the deeper biblical meanings of God’s relationship with governing authority properly and this while not having to disregard His Divine Attributes so often.

Once again your argument is with God, not me.
My, you are a confident feller in your arguments, … ain’t ya?! :)

But, sounds like question begging to me, and obviously your imagination is running away with you...
 

JonC

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Ah, ...there you are running away from your own positions again. A Calvinist who is not Calvinist, A Liberal who is not a Liberal, a Predestinarian that is not a Predestinarian and a Determinist that is not a Determinist – but only when suits you to stay in your closet. ;) …And one need only read the thread more carefully to simply understand why I addressed the views of predestination.
I understand why you would think I was a Calvinist (because I do believe that divine omniscience necessitates that everything be predestined) even though I reject the Calvinistic soteriology. I chalk that up to a bit of confusion on your part (like all the Calvinists who believe if you are not one you must affirm Arminianism). It is ignorant, but I understand the reasons people think that way (that's what happens when people who lack the capacity for thought endeavor to engage in cognitive activities).

I do not understand how you came up with the idea that I'm liberal as I have never indicated such a leaning. I could chalk it up to ignorance, except something must have been there for you to misunderstand. So I'll chalk it up to dishonesty. You decided we disagree so you make false claims to spread our disagreement into other topics. So I'll chalk it up to a lack of character on your part. You are a dishonest man (or woman).

I am confident that Scripture is infallible. And I am literate enough to read that God establishes all powers and that there are no powers that are not established by God. There are two ways of taking this. Either it is true or it is false. I believe it is true. You believe it is false. People make their priorities, and I do understand that you denied Scripture in order to uphold your positions. I also realize that you are unique for rejecting God's Word. And I am not judging you for denying the passage, I am just making the observation and saying that this is where we differ.

You are obviously on the wrong side of Truth here because you are actively denying God's Word. What is interesting is not your rejection of the passage but the pride and confidence you argue against it.
 

AustinC

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Ah, ...there you are running away from your own positions again. A Calvinist who is not Calvinist, A Liberal who is not a Liberal, a Predestinarian that is not a Predestinarian and a Determinist that is not a Determinist – but only when suits you to stay in your closet. ;) …And one need only read the thread more carefully to simply understand why I addressed the views of predestination.

Learn the difference between Providential Establishment and Deterministic Establishment and you may begin to understand the deeper biblical meanings of God’s relationship with governing authority properly and this while not having to disregard His Divine Attributes so often.


My, you are a confident feller in your arguments, … ain’t ya?! :)

But, sounds like question begging to me, and obviously your imagination is running away with you...
Benjamin, why do you put all your faith in philosophy?
 

Benjamin

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Wesley believed you could lose your salvation by your own actions.
I wouldn't expect you to ever get Wesley's meanings or his doctrines correct so there is no sense in me trying to explain your errors here.
Wesley was wrong on many things and, like you, he completely misunderstood God's full Sovereignty.
By "God's full Sovereignty" you mean your distorted soteriological view of Deterministic Sovereignty in all things, yeah boy, I bet you could school Wesley and I a thing or two! :Rolleyes
Here's a verse from Psalm 139:16 which expresses God's full Sovereignty over all things.

"Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; And in Your book were all written The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there was not one of them."

Hate tot tell you this, but David understood Omniscience without having to rest on Determinism of all things. David understood that all God's ways were judgment, ...and here's the clincher! ...in TRUTH.
 

AustinC

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I wouldn't expect you to ever get Wesley's meanings or his doctrines correct so there is no sense in me trying to explain your errors here.

By "God's full Sovereignty" you mean your distorted soteriological view of Deterministic Sovereignty in all things, yeah boy, I bet you could school Wesley and I a thing or two! :Rolleyes


Hate tot tell you this, but David understood Omniscience without having to rest on Determinism of all things. David understood that all God's ways were judgment, ...and here's the clincher! ...in TRUTH.
You are free to view God as less than a complete ruler over His creation. I will not follow such nonsense.
God is ruler over every aspect of creation. I have provided ample scripture. You have fallen upon the flawed words of Wesley. My base is solid.
Luke 12:7
Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows.
 

Benjamin

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I do not understand how you came up with the idea that I'm liberal as I have never indicated such a leaning.
That would be because I analyze the character of words rather than the content to establish the true meaning. Also your behavior is stereotypical of your weaseling nature when debating.
I could chalk it up to ignorance, except something must have been there for you to misunderstand. So I'll chalk it up to dishonesty. You decided we disagree so you make false claims to spread our disagreement into other topics. So I'll chalk it up to a lack of character on your part. You are a dishonest man (or woman).
I could caulk your resorting to calling me dishonest to being a coward hiding behind a keyboard. But I'll caulk up your resorting to Ad Hominem as your way of having a little Liberal tantrum because you don't like being read and called out on the true roots and character of your arguments.
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...I'll refrain from ending this by matching your closing insults.
You are obviously on the wrong side of Truth here because you are actively denying God's Word.
I hope you don't talk to people like this when face to face, ...I'm pretty sure you don't and suggest you get you grip on your accusations.
 

777

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It could be argued that the US Constitution is the authority here and should be followed by elected officials.

Don't blame God for a Biden presidency. Blame Satan and the crooks who stole the election. God had nothing to do with that.

Ya, God knew Biden's goons would cheat, that's not like saying He got them to cheat. All I'm saying is if Biden takes office, God did not intervene in this travesty and He had unknown to me reasons not to do so.
 

JonC

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That would be because I analyze the character of words rather than the content to establish the true meaning.
Don't quit your day job....you are not at analyzing the "character of words" and would do better to stick with what I actually post. It keeps you from appearing so dishonest.
 

Benjamin

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You are free to view God as less than a complete ruler over His creation.
You are free to view God as simply a Determinist Despot to fit your "philosophically" derived soteriological view, but God's true ways of judgment over His creatures and His Nature are clearly revealed, and that is what I will follow:

Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Obviously, God does not judge His own deterministic designs and He is without evil of any kind - NO evil can come from Him and your "philosophically" derived soteriological view will NEVER logically line up with the truth of God's Holy Attributes.
 

AustinC

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You are free to view God as simply a Determinist Despot to fit your "philosophically" derived soteriological view, but God's true ways of judgment over His creatures and His Nature are clearly revealed, and that is what I will follow:

Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Obviously, God does not judge His own deterministic designs and He is without evil of any kind - NO evil can come from Him and your "philosophically" derived soteriological view will NEVER logically line up with the truth of God's Holy Attributes.
Perhaps you forgot to read the entire passage.

Deuteronomy 32:1-8
“Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak, and let the earth hear the words of my mouth. May my teaching drop as the rain, my speech distill as the dew, like gentle rain upon the tender grass, and like showers upon the herb. For I will proclaim the name of the Lord; ascribe greatness to our God! “The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he. They have dealt corruptly with him; they are no longer his children because they are blemished; they are a crooked and twisted generation. Do you thus repay the Lord, you foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you? Remember the days of old; consider the years of many generations; ask your father, and he will show you, your elders, and they will tell you. When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.

God's full Sovereignty is declared in this passage and you just prooftexted a verse out of context to support your pretext.

Now, you are free to worship a god not found in the Bible, but don't tell me or other children of the King that He is less than Sovereign just because a Sovereign God who rules over every molecule in His creation somehow messes with the image you have created in your own mind.
 

JonC

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I could caulk your resorting to calling me dishonest to being a coward hiding behind a keyboard.
No, that is not it. I am calling you dishonest because you are a dishonest person. I have never taken a liberal position (not politically, not fiscally, and not theologically).

That makes you a dishonest person (you have made up a charge that does not fit me or my posts).

Whether your dishonesty is deliberate (a character flaw) or simple foolish ignorance I cannot say.

And yes, face to face I do tell people that Scripture is God's Word. If you are in the Augusta area PM me and I will meet you and say the same thing face to face.
 

Benjamin

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No, that is not it. I am calling you dishonest because you are a dishonest person.
Typical Liberal response when they can't answer the charge.
I have never taken a liberal position
Except every time you set out to defend Biden being the President...
That makes you a dishonest person (you have made up a charge that does not fit me or my posts).
No, that makes you a weaseler...
Whether your dishonesty is deliberate (a character flaw) or simple foolish ignorance I cannot say.
No, I just deliberately call out your weaseling that is habitual and so obvious.
And yes, face to face I do tell people that Scripture is God's Word. If you are in the Augusta area PM me and I will meet you and say the same thing face to face.
LOL. Good luck with that, big guy...
 

JonC

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Typical Liberal response when they can't answer the charge.

Except every time you set out to defend Biden being the President...

No, that makes you a weaseler...

No, I just deliberately call out your weaseling that is habitual and so obvious.

LOL. Good luck with that, big guy...
What charge? That I am a liberal? I have answered it. I am not. The ONLY evidence you have "to the contrary" is that I accept Scripture as God's Word.

Why don't you man up and show anything I believe that even boarders on liberalism? Oh, right....all you have is lies.

I have never defended Biden. I defended the US Constitution and our system of government regarding what makes a President lawful.

You trash the Constitution and Scripture when you do not get your way. That does not make me the liberal. That makes YOU a Snowflake ❄. But tis the season. :Roflmao:Roflmao
 

Benjamin

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Perhaps you forgot to read the entire passage.
Nope, and it still doesn't prove what you'd like it to ...that God is worse than devil, a liar about His judgment and the creator of evil. - all to defend your philosophically derived soteriological position... tsk, tsk...
 
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