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Why I'm thankful God convicted about Rock'nRoll
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Joshua Rhodes
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Dale-c said:Not really, people just do it for fun. Being march, why don't we select a tournamnet of 64 debaters to go at it.Just for the fun of argument!
Thanks Dale - Just leave me out of the madness, please!
great testimony lilrabbi!
but i highly doubt that it was the rock music that stopped you from singing so good. i listen to rock - and i'm learning to sing quite well.
praise God for His wonders!
i agree Aslanspal... the only evil kind of music is polka.. haha. and personally for me -- secular music - (you know. the music without christian-associated lyrics) - and most country.
evil i say. evil! hahaha.
but i highly doubt that it was the rock music that stopped you from singing so good. i listen to rock - and i'm learning to sing quite well.
praise God for His wonders!
i agree Aslanspal... the only evil kind of music is polka.. haha. and personally for me -- secular music - (you know. the music without christian-associated lyrics) - and most country.
evil i say. evil! hahaha.
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I am a new member here, and originally come from an ultra conservative baptist church. Rock in any form is widely accepted as straight from hell. However at my job it was either have CCM or country, so I chose ccm. I have been shocked at what an amazing blessing I have gotten from this music. I have just broke down crying hearing lyrics such as "Does anybody hear her" from casting crowns. So I started studying heavily to have some questions answered. You guys have alot of good stuff. So what is you opinion on the fruit argument. Ye shall know them by their fruits, and a good tree cannot bear bad fruit ect. So how them can rock be wrong when such powerful music and songs can come from it. If wrong is inherently foul and sinful, it could not possibly result in my being convicted by the holy spirit and blessed like I haven't been in a long time. After all is the tree is bad so will be the fruit, and thats Bible
I am a new member here, and originally come from an ultra conservative baptist church. Rock in any form is widely accepted as straight from hell. However at my job it was either have CCM or country, so I chose ccm. I have been shocked at what an amazing blessing I have gotten from this music. I have just broke down crying hearing lyrics such as "Does anybody hear her" from casting crowns. So I started studying heavily to have some questions answered. You guys have alot of good stuff. So what is you opinion on the fruit argument. Ye shall know them by their fruits, and a good tree cannot bear bad fruit ect. So how them can rock be wrong when such powerful music and songs can come from it. If wrong is inherently foul and sinful, it could not possibly result in my being convicted by the holy spirit and blessed like I haven't been in a long time. After all is the tree is bad so will be the fruit, and thats Bible
Welcome to the board, you will get many opinions here. Take them for what they are... opinions... and then do your research. Listen to the Holy Spirit.
My opinion.
There is nothing wrong with CCM.
Music that praises God, cannot be wrong.
What makes rock music wrong?
The music or lyrics?
How is music in and of itself sinful? What law from God does playing the drums break? What law from God does hooking electricity to a guitar break? In God's word, what time signature is Godly?
Show me where God said, "thou shalt not have a back beat"
Now some say that even though the Bible doesn't say any of the above, the Holy Spirit says to them that it is evil. But as Baptists, we are a people of the book.
I have heard that drums are evil because pagans use them..
Pagans also use other instruments.
I have heard that the music is evil because when Moses came off the mountain the israelites were having a Rock party.
I have heard that the music is evil because it makes you feel something.
And feelings are wrong. Tell me, who created emotions in you? And if emotions are wrong, why does God say to be angry, and sin not...
Why did Jesus get angry? Why did Jesus Cry?
If emotions are sinful, we then serve a sinful Savior.
This is my opinion, and I am sure that someone will come along and tell you that I am off my rocker..(no pun intended)
Here is another way to find out....
Look at the attitudes of each side. You said you will know them by their fruit...
Pro-CCM likes not only CCM, but hymns, and other types of Christian music, we say that those that listen to all types of Christian music can be good Christians.
Anti-CCM says that anyone that is not like them are of the devil, and that those of us that listen to CCM are being deceived....They remind me of that one woman off of a movie that kept saying, "IT'S OF THE DEVIL!!!!!"
The Anti-CCM attitude is full of hate and pride....
They say, "We are the ones that are right, and anyone that disagrees with us are not as spiritual as us"
Of course, there are some that realize that music styles are opinions and personal preference and they prefer hymns over CCM... And that is OK.
I don't like the Heavy CCM myself, and I absolutely hate bluegrass (my youngest son loves it, and it drives me crazy!!) but I am not going to tell a brother in Christ he is less of a Christian for listening to something I don't prefer. That is pride. That is me lifting myself up to judge one of God's children. in essence, that is me trying to play God...
Sound familiar, that is what Satan was trying to do.
And Pride was Satan's sin.
That type of Pride IS from the pits of Hell.
Let God lead you. Do what He says, and realize that opinions are like elbows, everyone has one.
BTW, I am probably the biggest Casting Crowns fan on the board...
So welcome!!
My opinion.
There is nothing wrong with CCM.
Music that praises God, cannot be wrong.
What makes rock music wrong?
The music or lyrics?
How is music in and of itself sinful? What law from God does playing the drums break? What law from God does hooking electricity to a guitar break? In God's word, what time signature is Godly?
Show me where God said, "thou shalt not have a back beat"
Now some say that even though the Bible doesn't say any of the above, the Holy Spirit says to them that it is evil. But as Baptists, we are a people of the book.
I have heard that drums are evil because pagans use them..
Pagans also use other instruments.
I have heard that the music is evil because when Moses came off the mountain the israelites were having a Rock party.
I have heard that the music is evil because it makes you feel something.
And feelings are wrong. Tell me, who created emotions in you? And if emotions are wrong, why does God say to be angry, and sin not...
Why did Jesus get angry? Why did Jesus Cry?
If emotions are sinful, we then serve a sinful Savior.
This is my opinion, and I am sure that someone will come along and tell you that I am off my rocker..(no pun intended)
Here is another way to find out....
Look at the attitudes of each side. You said you will know them by their fruit...
Pro-CCM likes not only CCM, but hymns, and other types of Christian music, we say that those that listen to all types of Christian music can be good Christians.
Anti-CCM says that anyone that is not like them are of the devil, and that those of us that listen to CCM are being deceived....They remind me of that one woman off of a movie that kept saying, "IT'S OF THE DEVIL!!!!!"
The Anti-CCM attitude is full of hate and pride....
They say, "We are the ones that are right, and anyone that disagrees with us are not as spiritual as us"
Of course, there are some that realize that music styles are opinions and personal preference and they prefer hymns over CCM... And that is OK.
I don't like the Heavy CCM myself, and I absolutely hate bluegrass (my youngest son loves it, and it drives me crazy!!) but I am not going to tell a brother in Christ he is less of a Christian for listening to something I don't prefer. That is pride. That is me lifting myself up to judge one of God's children. in essence, that is me trying to play God...
Sound familiar, that is what Satan was trying to do.
And Pride was Satan's sin.
That type of Pride IS from the pits of Hell.
Let God lead you. Do what He says, and realize that opinions are like elbows, everyone has one.
BTW, I am probably the biggest Casting Crowns fan on the board...
So welcome!!
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Rufus_1611
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What he said.tinytim said:
This could perhaps be considered to be a broad perspective.
This could perhaps be considered to be a more narrow perspective.
If we're looking at fruits of the different genre's. Compare Sandi Patti's adultery, Amy Grant's adultery, Stryper dressing like women, Toby Mac's influence of and non-rebuke of Aerosmith to Fannie Crosby's working under pseudonyms so that glory didn't come to her, John Newton's efforts against slavery, Martin Luther's efforts against the Roman Catholic Church, and John Bunyan's imprisonment.
Disagree. They would only be hating if they kept their mouth closed and didn't warn people of the spiritual harm caused by unbalanced music.
Music is a language, it can make you march, it can make you rest, it can make you wanna dance, it can make you sensuous or romantic and it can do these things without the benefit of a single word.
It is not pride to try to warn brethren of the pitfalls of bad music.
Sound advice.
If you don't like Casting Crowns you can listen to Brittney Spears, Jessica Simpson, Justin Timberlake, Beyonce, Dixie Chicks or many other fine artists from SonyBMG.
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord." - Colossians 3:16
"As in music, so in life." - Unknown
Rufus_1611 said:
Hey, I have an idea. Let's take selected musicians, at random, from different eras...let's compare the "best" of one era with the "worst" of another (using "worst" loosely, because we'll use some factual stuff along with some innuendo)...and we'll prove our point with faulty logic! Fun!
"Unbalanced music"--haven't seen that since my last Gothard seminar...or was it when I studied pagan Greek philosophy?
Bad music...according to...Rufus 3:12? Hesitations 2:15? Might taste and preference be the issue here?
Righto. God curses anyone who works for a secular company.
Character assaults via irrelevant comparisons are not becoming for Christian folk.I'm glad Rufus doesn't have allergies to hay. Otherwise, building all those strawmen would land you in the hospital. :saint:
Rufus_1611
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How was that worse than Tiny's "pro-CCM people are good and anti-CCM folks are bad" argument? I challenge you to the same strawman. What's the worst fruits (post authorship) you can find from selected Baptist hymn writers taken at random?rbell said:
I used "unbalanced" as I thought this would be better received than "Music of the Devil"...I see I was wrong
Nope. If it was taste and preference I'd still be listening to Metallica and P.O.D.
Whereas, it is becoming for Christians to yoke together with unbelievers? Is that rbell 3:12?Righto. God curses anyone who works for a secular company.
Too bad rbell has an addiction to rock and roll as he otherwise might comprehend this issue. :saint:
In all seriousness, I pray your back is healing and your pain is minimal.
Joshua Rhodes
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Rufus_1611 said:
They were there, Rufus. They fell out of use because of bad theology, unsingable tunes, or boredom. Either way, 20 years from now we'll be looking back on this argument and saying "Did such and such really say that about this song/artist?" It is true, some artists and songs will not be remembered. But who knew we'd still be singing some of the hymns we're still singing? The problem with judging all "CCM" (I'm really beginning to hate that term, let's say "current-modern Christian music"... I guess that's CCM as well... shucks!) as bad, is that we don't have the benefit of hundreds of years of use to weed out the faulty songs. That's why we need discernment, something that many of us will never agree on, to decide which songs are worth using, and which are not. You give me a list of 10 favorite hymns or traditional songs you like, and I'll match them with songs from the "current-modern Christian music" list that I would use, that I consider to be theologically sound, musically interesting, and therefore, safe to use. Even then, we won't agree, because we are coming from two different places.
Let me ask this: If it's a rock style Christian song, and the style is effectively changed to a "less wild" beat or style, is it ok then?
James_Newman
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I think Rufus is asking for details on Fanny Crosby's extramarital escapades.
Rufus_1611
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What's he doing with his right hand there rbell? Would that be the Mano Cornuto your little rocker dude is flashing or is he saying "I love you"? Maybe he's a Longhorn fan?rbell said:Dude...is that Freedom Rock? Well...turn it up, man! :laugh:
ccrobinson
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Righto. God curses anyone who works for a secular company.
I haven't hijacked a thread lately, so here goes.
Rufus, do you believe that working for a secular company qualifies as being yoked with unbelievers?
Rufus_1611
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ccrobinson said:
We might want to post this to http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=975391#post975391 then we can keep the hijacks all in one location.
I do not believe them to be comparative questions. Worship music is within the domain of the church, is to give glory unto God and to edify the saints (NOT to preach to the lost). Should we yoke together with an antichrist entity to tell us how to package, market and sell worship music? This would be like having a pastor of a church go to an antichrist entity like the state and ask for permission (license) to preach and have the state tell them what they can say or not say without losing certain benefits. What a heinous practice this would be. Similarly, can you imagine a pastor advertising a Coca-Cola sign on his pulpit or promoting a movie for some reward? When we go to street preach we shouldn't go to a corporation or the state asking them what our best approach should be. This would be unequally yoking in the spiritual work we are to do.
As to where we work...it is impractical to be in the world and not work for it and since most of the world's corporations are run by antichrists, Christians will need to work for those corporations. Joshua worked for Pharaoh and this was blessed, Daniel worked for Nebuchadnezzar and there are other similar examples. So long as we are not allowing it to interfere with our worship (see Daniel praying in spite of the "law") and obedience to God, I do not see this as being yoked with unbelievers but rather being servants to masters according to the flesh.
ccrobinson
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Thanks for the explanation. :wavey: