Why is there a Resurgence of Reformed Theology?

[Bro. James]

Reformations

Reformation: an interesting word to dissect.

When there is a military reforming, there is a headcount, resupply, reinforcement--then you go take the next hill--quite often you just rally what you got left and head for the next hill.

We speak of reformation in the spiritual world and refer to people in the 16th century who would reform the holy see--the one created and enthroned by a Roman Emperor. Defrocked they were. Now what?

How does one reform apostasy? The holy see had their own reformation. Then the 19th century produced one Joseph Smith Jr. who claimed an apparition and revelation from on high. Everyone is apostate--start over with Joe as the new vicar. There are millions following him--a reformed group too.

Now in the age of cyberspace we have another reformation. What are we reforming???
Nothing X reformation X reformation X reformation= nothing. This is not new math.

Jesus said He would never leave us nor forsake us. He has kept His promise. The concept of reformation suggests that somehow Jesus cannot keep the Truth intact in every generation--as He promised.

We still have trouble with the Truth of Total Depravity. The Jews and Greeks still have trouble with the efficacy of circumcision and baptism.

The Truth of the Gospel still abides--we can call it saved or soteriology. The Truth does not change, nor need reformation--whether we believe it or not. We need repentance and revival not reformation. The Truth is still in the world, without spot, blemish, or any such thing--preserved by The Spirit The Holy.

Another bone: True Baptists did not come out of the so-called Protestant Reformation--this is another thread.

Even so, come Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

If people are unhappy with the church as they see it today, this must be laid at the feet of Arminianism. It is Arminianism that took us down this path, of seeker churches, hyper-fundies and liberalism and waterdown theology. We had stronger churches in the 1600, 1700 and 1800s when Reformed theology was held higher then it has been in the last 100 years.

A hearty Amen to that Brother.....:applause:

 

[preacher4truth]

Some folks think they've got it all wrapped up in a neat little theological box with all the answers given in a pretty little flower acronym. Personally, I'm perfectly comfortable living in the contradiction of the truth being somewhere in the middle of the two arguments with a little lean to one side.

And some of us think we have it all wrapped up theologically in our own, personalized, unnamed theology.


:tongue3:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

How about this instead for a "response":

Thanks a lot Dr. Obvious!!!!!


:applause: :thumbsup:

I like it when you guys get spunky...LOL

This Pastor in NJ Al Martin would invite guys outside to settle a dispute...And he was an old man when I met him. Had a good right hook too.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

And some of us think we have it all wrapped up theologically in our own, personalized, unnamed theology.


:tongue3:

Theology by its very nature is limited to the speculative, and reasoning powers of man. However, it is often important on what it is we think about God. Calvin is a simple man who wrote his institutes in his 20's and has his short comings however emphasizing God's supremacy to clarify how he intended grace to be understood is not necissarily a bad thing. However, it does have its short comings. We can't get past the mystery of God and when it comes to his grace and salvation it is at once very simplistic and very complicated. However, Calvin was not 100% correct nor should we expect him to be.

 

[preacher4truth]

However, Calvin was not 100% correct nor should we expect him to be.

Shhhhh! Don't say that out loud man!

:saint:

 

[J.D.]

I like it when you guys get spunky...LOL

This Pastor in NJ Al Martin would invite guys outside to settle a dispute...And he was an old man when I met him. Had a good right hook too.

Al Martin is a great preacher. He brings in the heavy artillary every time. No one leave empty. Maybe a little tired after 90 minutes or so, but never empty.

 

[Luke2427]

And some of us think we have it all wrapped up theologically in our own, personalized, unnamed theology.


:tongue3:

You're on FIRE today!!!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I like it when you guys get spunky...LOL

This Pastor in NJ Al Martin would invite guys outside to settle a dispute...And he was an old man when I met him. Had a good right hook too.

"Ba de ya - Never was a clody day"....

I can't get the song out of my mind. I wonder if it was preordained this way?

 

[Jarthur001]

Al Martin is a great preacher. He brings in the heavy artillary every time. No one leave empty. Maybe a little tired after 90 minutes or so, but never empty.

Al Martin is GREAT.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Al Martin is a great preacher. He brings in the heavy artillary every time. No one leave empty. Maybe a little tired after 90 minutes or so, but never empty.

He is retired now but what a bulwark!

 

[Robert Snow]

I seriously doubt that you took a look at Scriptures and found Reformed Theology to be wrong, or as you say, biblically incorrect. You would be the only soul on the face of the earth to have ever done so.

This is just isn't true! I have know dozens of pastors and preachers who plainly see the errors of Calvinism. In fact, when I first heard of the false doctrine, I couldn't believe any sane person could possibly believe it. I still don't see how anyone who thinks could fall into this theological trap!

 

[The Archangel]

This is just isn't true! I have know dozens of pastors and preachers who plainly see the errors of Calvinism. In fact, when I first heard of the false doctrine, I couldn't believe any sane person could possibly believe it. I still don't see how anyone who thinks could fall into this theological trap!

Calvinism is NOT a false doctrine. To say so is to say that all Calvinists are not Christians. You may disagree with Calvinism, it may baffle you how people can hold to the Doctrines of Grace, but you cannot call it a false doctrine just as we do not call Arminianism a false doctrine.

The Archangel

 

[MB]

WOW. Let me try to explain this to you again.



That never happened, and what you have done here is called lying. I never stated nor implied this nor do I believe it. Why are you accusing without grounds? When you read your Bible only, have you seen in Exodus 20 the 9th commandment about bearing false witness? This is what you have done here.

It's easy to say someone is lying when you don't also post what I was replying to. Actually your statement is more misleading.
This is what I replied to;

Not really. Certainly salvation is easy to understand as a babe. But it becomes more complex as we grow. We have more questions. Thus the many volumes of theological works. God gave us a head for more than to only use it as a hat rack.
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This was my reply

See what I mean. Now you're claiming that all those extra biblical books are inspired by God and just as good as His word.

When you accept the works of men for biblical answers you are saying to your self the works of these men answer my questions better than God's word. Thus you are assuming they are inspired by God when you believe those books instead of God's Word.
The answers you get from theological books are not inspired by God. They are only the opinions of men. The Bible is the only answer we will ever have or need. That all by it's self proves I wasn't lying. You should apologize for saying I was Lying. The Pharisee's made the same mistakes by taking the opinions of men to far. So much for intellectuals.
MB

 

[Robert Snow]

To say so is to say that all Calvinists are not Christians.

This isn't true. A Christian can believe doctrines that are false. Many Catholics are Christians, but their doctrine is false.

But, in order not to offend you, I will refrain from using "false doctrine" to describe Calvinism in the future. :1_grouphug:

 

[The Archangel]

This isn't true. A Christian can believe doctrines that are false. Many Catholics are Christians, but their doctrine is false.

But, in order not to offend you, I will refrain from using "false doctrine" to describe Calvinism in the future. :1_grouphug:

I don't know that I'd say "many" Catholics are Christians. I do think there are Catholics who are Christian, but they are not "many" and they are Christians in spite of the church, not because of it. Also, the difference in their doctrine from Calvinism is huge.

Calvinism and Arminianism both agree on the following:

1. Salvation is by Christ alone--His substitutionary atonement

2. Salvation is by faith--we do not work for or even cooperate with God in our salvation.

3. Salvation is not automatic--one must respond to the Gospel and place faith and trust in Christ

4. Intentional evangelism must take place--"How will they hear without a preacher?"

5. There are more...

The Catholic church does not believe in salvation by Christ alone. The Catholic church believes one must work with and for God to complete one's salvation. The Church believes it is the church that dispenses grace, etc. These, are false doctrines.

For Calvinism to qualify as a false doctrine it would have to deny salvation by grace alone, salvation by Christ alone, salvation by faith alone,

Calvinism and Arminianism agree on the pillars of Christianity...the difference comes in how one gets to those pillars. So, it is NOT a false doctrine.

Thanks, though, for your restraint in the future. It is much appreciated. And, hopefully you will see from the above post it is not a "false" doctrine. Doctrines you disagree with...fine. But, not false.

The Archangel

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This is just isn't true! I have know dozens of pastors and preachers who plainly see the errors of Calvinism. In fact, when I first heard of the false doctrine, I couldn't believe any sane person could possibly believe it. I still don't see how anyone who thinks could fall into this theological trap!

Thats pretty narrow minded of you Robert.

 

[Robert Snow]

Thats pretty narrow minded of you Robert.

I reject a doctrine I believe is not consistent with what the Scripture teaches. I also know many pastors who agree with me, yet I am narrow-minded?

Do you often espouse doctrines you don't feel are correct so as not to be thought of as narrow-minded?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I reject a doctrine I believe is not consistent with what the Scripture teaches. I also know many pastors who agree with me, yet I am narrow-minded?

Do you often espouse doctrines you don't feel are correct so as not to be thought of as narrow-minded?

Here is what I try not to do.....wantonly attack fellow brothers I dont agree with. Whats the point.....your not going to change my beliefs nor will you change any on here. come on...this is petty. The best you can hope for with that tactic is to make an enemy! I wont tell you Im a saint but I dont want to be an attack dog either. By the way, I know many pastors that would agree with me...whats that prove, hmmm.

 

[pinoybaptist]

This just isn't true ! I have known dozens of pastors and preachers who plainly see the errors of Calvinism. In fact, when I first heard of the false doctrine, I couldn't believe any sane person could possibly believe it. I still don't see how anyone who thinks could fall into this theological trap !

I hope you realize that not only do you say Calvinism is false doctrine, you are also saying that those who believe in it are insane, and without thought processes like you possess that prevent you from falling into a theological trap.

I am sure there are many in the Calvinist persuasion, dead and alive, some may be here in this Baptist board, who many of us, you perhaps included, me definitely in the list, could not hold a candle to in terms of secular and theological intelligence.