Why Obama wants to hide birth certificate

[Baptist Believer]

The only defense is to show the long form.

The "short form" version, which has all the hallmarks of being authentic, has been declared by numerous self-appointed experts with an axe to grind as a "fake".

Why in the world do you believe that releasing the "long form" (if it is available) will end the attack?

 

[Baptist Believer]

We have already had discussions on here about the ties between Obama and Factcheck.org. Fastcheck has an agenda.

Ah yes, and WorldNetDaily has absolutely no agenda...

Whatever...

 

[Revmitchell]

We have already had discussions on here about the ties between Obama and Factcheck.org. Fastcheck has an agenda.

Fact Check did not address the real argument. The suggestion that the BC is a fake is not what the many law suits are about. The law suits are about the information on the long form which no one will release.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

This continual nonsense points out the desperation of the nutty right. This only serves to demonstrate the pathetic level to which they have descended. There is virtually ZERO chance of any of this noise resulting in the removal of President Obama from office. These folks just cannot get over the fact that their guy lost, so they grasp at straws hoping to find some reason to overturn the will of the people. This is no more credible than Elvis being alive and flying around in a UFO with space aliens.

 

[Revmitchell]

The "short form" version, which has all the hallmarks of being authentic, has been declared by numerous self-appointed experts with an axe to grind as a "fake".

And those few in number loons are what libbies are focusing on trying to make the focus about them which is nothing more than a distraction so as to avoid dealing with legitimate concerns. But the legitimate concern and the basis for the many law suits has to do with the long form.

Why in the world do you believe that releasing the "long form" (if it is available) will end the attack?

Because Hawaii had a practice when obama was born to issue CB to those who would not be considered legitimate citizens and qualify for President.

 

[poncho]

If one considers the "bo"s meteoric rise and his obvious Marxism it is obvious that there is dirty linen in his closet. Whether it includes his citizenship I do not know. I do believe that any attempt to remove him, even on such constitutional grounds, would result in a race war in this country.

Perhaps far more worrisome to me is, WHO PROVIDED THE MONEY AND INFLUENCE TO GET THIS MARXIST ELECTED?

Isn't it obvious OR? Look at his administration it's all Wallstreet.

He's a puppet of the money powers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SH-dSUnrZY

 

[poncho]

This continual nonsense points out the desperation of the nutty right. This only serves to demonstrate the pathetic level to which they have descended. There is virtually ZERO chance of any of this noise resulting in the removal of President Obama from office. These folks just cannot get over the fact that their guy lost, so they grasp at straws hoping to find some reason to overturn the will of the people. This is no more credible than Elvis being alive and flying around in a UFO with space aliens.

"These folks just cannot get over the fact that their guy lost"

Having to plagiarize statements (like the above) directly from rightie's playbook shows a certain amount of pathetic desperation on leftie's part, no?

 

[Crabtownboy]

It has to do with the law of citizenship at that time.
If he's born in Hawaii, then his citizenship is by location at time of birth. But if he's born elsewhere... the minor parent, in this instance cannot confer her citizenship upon a baby she births outside the US.

But so many have tried to explain that to you before...... in just about every thread that's opened upon this subject.

NOW
Do you want to keep asking the same dern question another 46 times....... or find out for yourself?

He was born in Hawaii. His mother, regardless of age, was a natural born citizen ... born in Kansas. Thus he is a natural born citizen.

I gave you the definition of natural born from the Federal Code. Show me where the Federal Code is wrong and where there is any age limit put on the mother ... please.

 

[targus]

He was born in Hawaii. His mother, regardless of age, was a natural born citizen ... born in Kansas. Thus he is a natural born citizen.

I gave you the definition of natural born from the Federal Code. Show me where the Federal Code is wrong and where there is any age limit put on the mother ... please.

IF he was born in Hawaii...

That's why so many are curious as to his lack of actual birth certificate.

And while he's at it - how about releasing his college transcripts.

What's the problem here? It's like he is hiding something.:laugh:

 

[donnA]

I found that natural born citizen has had many meanings in this country, which was in effect when obama was born? you can't just go by what's in effect now, only then.

 

[Freedom]

Well I think it means that they are so mad they're willing to believe propagate anything negative they can say about him.

I'm no fan of Obama and I think there are grave consequences for some of the decisions he has already made and legislation he is proposing.

I wish those who oppose his politics could actually articulate sane, logical, coherent arguments instead of wallowing in this stupidity.

I guess they didn't learn anything from the Clinton years when they made so many foolish and baseless accusations against Bill and Hillary Clinton, that when the real dirt came to the surface, it looked like simple partisanship and justice was derailed.

Then the anti-Bush crowd did the same thing against Dubya, and the "conservative" crowd rightly complained about how unfair it was.

And now Obama is in office and the so-called "conservative" crowd is being hypocritical again!

There's not much credibility left in American civil discourse anymore. I wish that Baptists (who are supposed to be followers of Jesus and live according to His example) would demonstrate some integrity... especially those who are pastors and are called to teach the church how to act by their example.

This is truely an insightful statement. America was founded on the principle of free speech. Differences of opinion used to be debated without always resorting to personal attacks. I've seen a tremendous change just during my life time. There is no civil discourse any more. There are no honest differences of opinion. Opponents are called Communists, Nazi's, the Anti-Christ, non-Christians, etc.

Honest debate and exchange of ideas is one of the things that used to make America great. Want to be true to the Constitution and the ideals of the founding fathers? This is one thing we all can start to change on a grass roots level.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is truely an insightful statement. America was founded on the principle of free speech. Differences of opinion used to be debated without always resorting to personal attacks. I've seen a tremendous change just during my life time. There is no civil discourse any more. There are no honest differences of opinion. Opponents are called Communists, Nazi's, the Anti-Christ, non-Christians, etc.

Honest debate and exchange of ideas is one of the things that used to make America great. Want to be true to the Constitution and the ideals of the founding fathers? This is one thing we all can start to change on a grass roots level.

The lack of honesty comes only from those who pretend not to hold to communist principles and refusal to publically acknowledge the marxist roots of many of our politicians, professors, and voters.

 

[OldRegular]

IF he was born in Hawaii...

That's why so many are curious as to his lack of actual birth certificate.

And while he's at it - how about releasing his college transcripts.

What's the problem here? It's like he is hiding something.:laugh:

If there is no problem then why won't "bo" release whatever is required to prove his eligibility [as far as his birth is concerned] to be president. He certainly is not eligible in any other respect.

 

[LeBuick]

It is contended that she was too young at the time of "the one's" birth for her to pass citizenship if "the one" was born outside of the U.S.

But he was born in HI according to his birth certificate that he produced. That is the point, he produced a birth certificate, the one he produced was certified by state officials and it says he was born in HI.

If this was a Republican candidate, this would be a done deal...

 

[LeBuick]

If there is no problem then why won't "bo" release whatever is required to prove his eligibility [as far as his birth is concerned] to be president. He certainly is not eligible in any other respect.

That is the point, what the right seeks is not "required". If it were required he wouldn't be president without producing the original. But since it isn't required, he is POTUS. The 7 Republican appointed to 2 Democratic SCOTUS would not hear the case which says to me everything must be legal.

 

[Allan]

But he was born in HI according to his birth certificate that he produced. That is the point, he produced a birth certificate, the one he produced was certified by state officials and it says he was born in HI.

If this was a Republican candidate, this would be a done deal...

No, he provided a portion of it and that portion did not have the information needed to settle the matter but in fact, that portion has been denied access to. THAT is why it is not a done deal. Republican or not doesn't matter, what matters here is the decietfulness and unlawful withholding of needed materials to show proof of nationality. THAT shouldn't matter what affiliation one holds to. Yet you know as well as I that with enough money and power (or powerful friends) laws and rules can be side stepped, over looked, and even broken, if you can keep other from pressing the issue. Here we have situation where both sides have the money, power, and influence to press and apparently hide what should be simply given over in the first place.

 

[Crabtownboy]

No, he provided a portion of it and that portion did not have the information needed to settle the matter but in fact, that portion has been denied access to. THAT is why it is not a done deal. Republican or not doesn't matter, what matters here is the decietfulness and unlawful withholding of needed materials to show proof of nationality. THAT shouldn't matter what affiliation one holds to. Yet you know as well as I that with enough money and power (or powerful friends) laws and rules can be side stepped, over looked, and even broken, if you can keep other from pressing the issue. Here we have situation where both sides have the money, power, and influence to press and apparently hide what should be simply given over in the first place.

Well, as the official in Hawaii said that is all you are going to get ... that is all you will get for anyone ... that is all the state of Hawaii supplies. So, it is a done deal.

Do you and others really believe that the heads of the Republician party would not have pursued this and proved it before the election?

Folks, like it or hate it, it is a done deal. Drop it.

Reminds me, as I said in an earlier post, of the people who insisted from day one that Teddy Roosevelt was crazy.

 

[Allan]

Well, as the official in Hawaii said that is all you are going to get ... that is all you will get for anyone ... that is all the state of Hawaii supplies. So, it is a done deal.

Do you and others really believe that the heads of the Republician party would not have pursued this and proved it before the election?

Folks, like it or hate it, it is a done deal. Drop it.

Reminds me, as I said in an earlier post, of the people who insisted from day one that Teddy Roosevelt was crazy.

Apparently you don't much about this huh?

I have an uncle who was born in Hawaii while his father was in the armed forces. (I actually only just found this out from my mom who is living near him in FL) Due to an issue while in the military he had to and did obtain the long form from Hawaii - so they do have it, it just apparently depends on whether or not they will give it. But I will preface this with - that is what he states occured and was able to obtain.

IOW - there is a difference between - that is all we are going to give you and that is all that we are able give you. Apparently in the case of Obama it is former.

 

[targus]

Well, as the official in Hawaii said that is all you are going to get ... that is all you will get for anyone ... that is all the state of Hawaii supplies. So, it is a done deal.

So it is your belief that the State of Hawaii would deny a request from the President of the United States for an official copy of his true long form birth certificate?

That they would say to the President of the United States, "That is all you are going to get."

This is what you believe?

 

[Revmitchell]

So it is your belief that the State of Hawaii would deny a request from the President of the United States for an official copy of his true long form birth certificate?

That they would say to the President of the United States, "That is all you are going to get."

This is what you believe?

Truly amazing huh?