Why persons perish in Hell.

[Brightfame52]

silverhair

If one continues in their unbelief they can not be saved. Unbelief can not be forgiven as the only way to have it forgiven is for them to believe thus no unbelief.

You know everyone is a rebellious unbeliever by nature dont you ? So if Christ didnt die for it, nobody can be saved. Not unless you believe people are saved by overcoming a sin that Christ didnt die for.

 

[Silverhair]

I was saved in the summer of 1962. The first time I understood the gospel.

Miss wrote the sentence. Should have been, 37 unbelief is what keeps ONE from being saved. I was not questioning your salvation.

So you were not saved prior to your believing in Christ Jesus. Just the same as everyone else. Unbelief is what keeps one condemned.

 

[tyndale1946]

Well either you believe Christ died for the sin of unbelief , rejecting Christ or not.

Hath God cast away his people?... God forbid!... Then it gets more precise... God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.... All from the heading of Romans 11... But it gets more interesting and applies to what Brightframe52 said but I won't give my opinion, you can argue with Scripture... Brother Glen

Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Btw... If Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, then there is one sin we have to answer for!

 

[Brightfame52]

tyndale1946

Btw... If Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, then there is one sin we have to answer for!

He did die for the sin of unbelief if you are a Sheep of His that He actually died for. God has mercy on the sin of unbelief if we are elect Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

[Silverhair]

silverhair



You know everyone is a rebellious unbeliever by nature dont you ? So if Christ didnt die for it, nobody can be saved. Not unless you believe people are saved by overcoming a sin that Christ didnt die for.

Yes we are all sinners but that has zero to do with whether Christ died for unbelief. Unbelief is the condition that keeps one lost. You do understand that don't you? I do notice that you have yet to provide one verse that supports your view. Why is the BF?

 

[Silverhair]

Hath God cast away his people?... God forbid!... Then it gets more precise... God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.... All from the heading of Romans 11... But it gets more interesting and applies to what Brightframe52 said but I won't give my opinion, you can argue with Scripture... Brother Glen

Romans 11: 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Btw... If Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, then there is one sin we have to answer for!

Btw if Christ did die for the sin of unbelief than we have no sins we have to answer to and unbelief will not keep one out of heaven since it is only our lack of faith that does so. That is if you actually believe what the bible says.

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So you see there is one sin that we actually have to answer for "unbelief"

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes we are all sinners but that has zero to do with whether Christ died for unbelief. Unbelief is the condition that keeps one lost. You do understand that don't you? I do notice that you have yet to provide one verse that supports your view. Why is the BF?

Everyone is a unbeliever by nature. If Christ didnt die for it, how can His death save anyone ?

 

[Silverhair]

Everyone is a unbeliever by nature. If Christ didnt die for it, how can His death save anyone ?

See post #66

 

[Brightfame52]

See post #66

If Christ didnt die for the sin of unbelief, which all are as sinners by nature, then everyone is damned.. God isnt going to forgive a sin Christ didnt pay the penalty for, His Justice wont allow that.

 

[Silverhair]

If Christ didnt die for the sin of unbelief, which all are as sinners by nature, then everyone is damned.. God isnt going to forgive a sin Christ didnt pay the penalty for, His Justice wont allow that.

His justice will not allow Him to forgive those that do not trust in His son, their unbelief condemns them or do you not believe scripture.

Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You are fighting against God with your errant view which you have yet to provide one clear supporting verse for. If Christ had died for the sin of unbelief then we could not be condemned for it but the bible says we are.

 

[Brightfame52]

His justice will not allow Him to forgive those that do not trust in His son, their unbelief condemns them or do you not believe scripture.

Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

You are fighting against God with your errant view which you have yet to provide one clear supporting verse for. If Christ had died for the sin of unbelief then we could not be condemned for it but the bible says we are.

Like I said, everyone by nature is a unbeliever, so if Christ didnt die for it, its no hope for anyone. You must believe people are saved apart from the blood taking away your sins. If it doesnt take away the sin of unbelief.

 

[Silverhair]

Like I said, everyone by nature is a unbeliever, so if Christ didnt die for it, its no hope for anyone. You must believe people are saved apart from the blood taking away your sins. If it doesnt take away the sin of unbelief.

You keep making wild assumptions regarding what I believe but as of yet no verse from you to support your errant view. Trust what the bible says BF, it will not steer you wrong.
Where do you come up with your crazy ideas, do you not read your bible or do you not trust what it says?

 

[Brightfame52]

You keep making wild assumptions regarding what I believe but as of yet no verse from you to support your errant view. Trust what the bible says BF, it will not steer you wrong.
Where do you come up with your crazy ideas, do you not read your bible or do you not trust what it says?

Im not making accusations. Either in your view Christ died for unbelief, rejecting Christ or Not. If according to you He did not, then there's no hope in Christs shed blood for that sin.

 

[Silverhair]

Im not making accusations. Either in your view Christ died for unbelief, rejecting Christ or Not. If according to you He did not, then there's no hope in Christs shed blood for that sin.

What does the bible say BF? I have given you scripture you are just giving your assumption of what the bible says. Give me some clear scripture that supports your view.

You have danced around this long enough, it is time for you to back up your position.

 

[Brightfame52]

What does the bible say BF? I have given you scripture you are just giving your assumption of what the bible says. Give me some clear scripture that supports your view.

You have danced around this long enough, it is time for you to back up your position.

If Christ didnt die for unbelief, and everyone is born in unbelief, then no one can be saved. The sin of unbelief reigns supreme.

 

[Silverhair]

If Christ didnt die for unbelief, and everyone is born in unbelief, then no one can be saved. The sin of unbelief reigns supreme.

You keep saying the same thing over and over but that is just your opinion.
Unbelief is the condition that condemns people. I agree we are all born sinners and we know that faith / belief is the remedy for that condition. Christ's death and resurrection provided the means of salvation, belief in Him.
If Christ did die for unbelief then faith in Christ for salvation is not required. You would be expecting man to pay for something that Christ had already paid for.

Still waiting for your supporting verses of your view.

 

[Jeremiah 6:16]

If Christ died for the sin of unbelief then faith would be unnecessary for salvation. Which you seem to think is true but the bible disagrees with your theory.

Rom 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile

Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

Rom 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

In Scripture, the sin of unbelief is not merely ignorance; rather, it is willfully refusing God’s free gift of forgiveness of sin.
When God offers to forgive a man’s sin if he believes, logic dictates that his response cannot be, “No, I refuse to believe in You, but forgive my sins anyway.” Forgiveness is a conditional offer: if the required condition is met (faith), then the promised result occurs (forgiveness). Faith in Christ is how people rightly respond to God’s offer of salvation.

Random side bar comment, but just wanted to say I enjoy reading your comments. I have to believe we are probably from a similar background.

 

[Brightfame52]

You keep saying the same thing over and over but that is just your opinion.
Unbelief is the condition that condemns people. I agree we are all born sinners and we know that faith / belief is the remedy for that condition. Christ's death and resurrection provided the means of salvation, belief in Him.
If Christ did die for unbelief then faith in Christ for salvation is not required. You would be expecting man to pay for something that Christ had already paid for.

Still waiting for your supporting verses of your view.

You teach against the redemptive power of the death of Christ, for Christ did die for the sin of unbelief, disobedience, rejecting Jesus, which all men do by nature, nevertheless, Jesus powerful redemptive death for His People, Gods elect, redeems them from all iniquity and purifies them unto a life of faith and zelous good works, Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

To be redeemed from all iniquity is to be redeemed from, unbelief and disobedience, all wickedness, now go ahead and deny it

Faith in Jesus Christ is given to them He redeems from all iniquity !

 

[Silverhair]

You teach against the redemptive power of the death of Christ, for Christ did die for the sin of unbelief, disobedience, rejecting Jesus, which all men do by nature, nevertheless, Jesus powerful redemptive death for His People, Gods elect, redeems them from all iniquity and purifies them unto a life of faith and zelous good works, Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

To be redeemed from all iniquity is to be redeemed from, unbelief and disobedience, all wickedness, now go ahead and deny it

Faith in Jesus Christ is given to them He redeems from all iniquity !

BF where do you get your silly idea that I teach against the redemptive power of the risen Christ?
1Co_15:13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
1Co_15:14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
1Co_15:16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
1Co_15:17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!

You seem to think that the sin of rejecting Christ/unbelief has been forgiven but you fail to think it through to the logical conclusion.
If one continues in their rejection / unbelief then they are not saved. Which is what the bible tells us
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Look at what you wrote BF "To be redeemed from all iniquity is to be redeemed from, unbelief and disobedience, all wickedness,"
How can one be redeemed from unbelief when belief is the condition of redemption?
Act 16:31 So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved,

But then you last sentence shows the flaw in your thinking. You have people redeemed before they believe. You need to start trusting what the bible says rather than what you want the bible to say.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Man does not and can not save himself as only God can save and He has chosen to save those that trust in His son
Eph 2:8 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this [salvation is] not from yourselves, [this salvation] is the gift of God.”

And lest you think I am ignoring what you posted
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
Tit 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Tit 2:14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

Context will help you clear up your confusion. The grace of God is available to all men but salvation is conditional.

 

[JD731]

Here’s some scripture to think about.
Romans 7:9 KJV
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Psalm 139:16 KJV
Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Psa 139 are the thoughts of the son of God in his humanity. The last two verses in the psalm is a prayer that we all should be thankful that God answered.

This psalm is not about you and me except maybe in a spiritual way. David was a prophet and his psalms are prophesy.

One should always form their opinions in context else there are too many views from the same passage with a higher probability of error.

See Acts 2:29-30.