Why Provisionism Is Not Biblical

[Zaatar71]

You clearly don’t understand what is Pelagian and what is not.

From your definition you posted.

Pelagianism asserts that individuals can achieve salvation through their own efforts rather than relying on divine grace.

Flowers never states nor can anyone honestly even believe that he is teaching salvation without divine intervention.
You attack anything that isn’t your stripe of Calvinism and you say things that aren’t true. You will inevitably double down and say that you have not made any mistakes but that would be another.

Do you want me to find the audio of him saying it directly??? What will your excuse be then Ben? You men hate the truth of God. When it is put right in front of you, you divert away. I will search for the audio.

 

[Ben1445]

Do you want me to find the audio of him saying it directly??? What will your excuse be then Ben? You men hate the truth of God. When it is put right in front of you, you divert away. I will search for the audio.

I love (sarcastically) how your opinion is the truth of God.
Yes!!! Find the audio. Produce the evidence of the heresy.
Your righteous indignation is juvenile and misguided at best.

 

[Zaatar71]

I love (sarcastically) how your opinion is the truth of God.
Yes!!! Find the audio. Produce the evidence of the heresy.
Your righteous indignation is juvenile and misguided at best.

Here you go , fast forward to the 57;00mminute mark, and listen for 5 minutes...

here is your Pelasgian idol, saying it to uber Arminian Roger Olson, lol listen over and over!

 

[Tea]

If Jesus manifested Himself right in front of them, He would be working in their hearts. He would be interacting with them.

But the implication then is that God is trying to use any means necessary to entice a person to believe, but in most cases, He can’t quite seem to get the job done.

 

[Tea]

Then you are denying all the OT saints and the many people now that are coming to faith in God through dreams and such.

Strange how those that keep saying God is sovereign then refuse to allow Him to be sovereign over His creation.

We are saved by grace through faith. That is not complicated to understand.

I’m sure God uses many different methods to reveal Himself, whether it be through dreams, the preaching of the Gospel, or by reading Scripture.

That doesn’t negate the fact that a person’s heart needs to be changed first in order to respond positively to that revelation.

 

[Zaatar71]

Those like Ben who desire a man centered theology cannot give up their Idol of free will, and an Adam that was only wounded, but did not die Spiritually in the fall.