Why Should I Feel Threatened by Gay Marriage?

[Dragoon68]

Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
... I think 2 years from now as Science continues to put proof on top of proof that gays are born the way they are.It has not reached a tipping point but my risk is one day it will and their hope is to gain help back from science through a sovereign graceful God for help in the form of genetic therapy.

I think two years if we revisited this issue we will know more ..it is not going backwards in the science ..especially in the field of genetics..we have just scratched the surface. ...

There's nothing new under the sun. God has already told us what the problem is. We just need to stop trying to change His rules to fit our needs.

 

[Hardsheller]

Originally posted by npc:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Yes, and what's even better is that they're making sure their children know it as well.

That will, hopefully, help counter the onslaught of misinformation designed to support the grave sin of homosexuality which they and others are likely to get from the news media, the entertainment media, the work place, the government run schools, people who are intent upon spreading the views you seem to hold, and even some "churches" especially if they have homosexual leaders.

Then what are you worried about?

Homosexual Marriage leads to Homosexual homes where kids are being raised to accept abnormal sex as normal.

If we have not yet determined whether this is something you're born with or you choose to participate in - Isn't this putting children in danger?

So which sinners should be allowed to raise kids and which shouldn't? </font>[/QUOTE]The Straight Sinners of course. That's a nobrainer.

 

[Hardsheller]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dragoon68:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hardsheller:
Homosexual Marriage leads to Homosexual homes where kids are being raised to accept abnormal sex as normal.

If we have not yet determined whether this is something you're born with or you choose to participate in - Isn't this putting children in danger?

You're right on target Hardsheller! On the homosexual agenda for gay "marriage" is the "right" to adoption and "parenting", the mandate for public education of the "alternative life styles", and a host of other tactics to force acceptance of this sinful conduct upon society. The right to "parenting" assures the behavior will be passed down to the next generation.

Patrick </font>[/QUOTE]You seem to know a lot more about homosexuality than even medical science! Gay people have the God given equipment to create babies and don't need your approval. If a child is born heterosexual, who are you to say being raised by a gay parent is going to make that child become a homosexual? </font>[/QUOTE]You can't be sure that children are born as Heterosexuals and Homosexuals. All you have is the testimony of the Gays who want you to believe that. Everything they aspire to hangs on that belief and that's all it is. It cannot and has not been proven scientifically.

 

[Hardsheller]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dragoon68:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
What is that? To hate those things you do not understand?

No, so they'll understand what God hates, why He does, and they're obligation as followers of Christ to abide by what He says is right not by what we think is right.

Patrick </font>[/QUOTE]Where in the scripture does it say it is our obligation to make sure there are no homosexuals? Or murderers? Or rapists? Did God give us that much power? If so, someone took mine and I demand it back! </font>[/QUOTE]We're not saying get rid of Homosexuals. We're saying NO HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE. They can be gay all they want to be - just don't try to make us say it's all right. It's Not. It's a Sin.

I preach against all sin not just Gay Sin.

 

[Hardsheller]

Originally posted by TisHerself:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ASLANSPAL:
What if all the gays decided one day to hold a
tax revolt or leave the military because they
were tired of discrimination or hold the same
civil rights privileges we have.


I think we as citizens can respect that and outside the sanctity of church ceremony provide creative ways so that they can have civil rights.

I think one would be of the state and the other
the church.

We would still uphold our church ceremony and deep
spiritual belief of Christians joined together
are one.

How can you really deny a gay soldier coming home
from Iraq his or her civil rights!

It really all boils down to what will be revealed
in the future and how the brick one by one by one
is placed into the wall...that these people are
born that way ..as I said earlier it is not a popular position to take but I believe grace will
be revealed.

And with that hope...these people in the future
I believe will be able to genetically take
genetic therapy in the form of liquid or injections and one day they wake up not gay anymore but again that is a choice they would have
to make...imho I think a majority would opt for
the therapy as it is now they feel trapped between
two worlds with enormous pressure and judgement.

In this country on the civil side and even in the
church we must protect the minority and the weak
or those trapped between a world they had no
control over.

sincerly
Aslanspal

That's right, Aslanspal! Why would anyone make the choice to be persecuted and hated so much? I'm not convinced that God didn't make them that
way on purpose to see how we reacted to balancing his laws with the reality of some of our brothers and sisters being gay.

I don't remember Jesus being mean to anyone, especially not a sinner. How is that a way to win them over to Chrisianity. If it were me, I'd say, heck no! Who would want to belong to a group of self-righteous haters!

There must be a balance. God never intended for us to hate one another. </font>[/QUOTE]We don't hate Homosexuals.

We just do the same thing Jesus did. He told sinners to go and sin no more. He did not condone sin, period.

Listen I have friends who are sinners. We all do. But I don't petition Congress to grant them special rights to sin.

 

[LadyEagle]

Agreed. It's sin. It's an abomination. Romans Chapter One.

I haven't read through this thread, so pardon me if this has been presented in an earlier post by someone.

But here's a question: If we allow gays to be "married" legally, then polygamists must also be afforded the same equal protection under the law. And so must people who want to marry their pets. And people who want to marry their commune. And people who want to marry their children. Etc.

Can of worms.

Gays wish they could find a gay gene. They've been searching for it for years.

Adulterers wish they could find an adulterer gene.

Child molesters wish they could find a child molester gene.

 

[npc]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
But here's a question: If we allow gays to be "married" legally, then polygamists must also be afforded the same equal protection under the law. And so must people who want to marry their pets. And people who want to marry their commune. And people who want to marry their children. Etc.

Since you're a moderator of a debate forum, I ask that you make sure you understand what logical fallacies are so you can avoid making them.

 

[LadyEagle]

Thanks for your concern, npc. But it is still an Abomination. Romans Chapter One.

And - the scenario about polygamists, etc., is a logical conclusion under equal rights under the law, not a fallacy.

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Gays wish they could find a gay gene.

Even if many homosexuals are born that way(which I think is likely), that does not excuse their behavior. We are all natural born sinners and we are all responsible to resist sin regardless of our fleshly nature.

 

[npc]

The Straight Sinners of course. That's a nobrainer.

Wow, at first I thought you were being sarcastic because the post so completely missed the point. Please explain my earlier question on why the government should pay special attention to gay sinners by denying them marriage, as opposed to atheists or criminals.

 

[npc]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Thanks for your concern, npc. But it is still an Abomination. Romans Chapter One.

And - the scenario about polygamists, etc., is a logical conclusion under equal rights under the law, not a fallacy.

No it's not a logical conclusion. Homosexuality does not have victims. (Polygamy maybe not, also, but earlier I stated that if I believed it were the case then I wouldn't mind the government marrying polygamists. Too bad you didn't read the thread before chiming in.)

Listen I have friends who are sinners. We all do.

Your wording suggests that you don't consider yourself a sinner. Is that correct?

But I don't petition Congress to grant them special rights to sin.

And I'm not petitioning Congress on their behalf either, or doing anything else to help them--I'm just asking why I should care if they're allowed to marry.

 

[LadyEagle]

Homosexuality does not have victims.

Tell that to someone who has contracted AIDS from a homosexual relationship. The homosexual lifestyle is one of two high risk behaviors known to spread HIV/AIDS. The other one is IV drug use.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

I have a question: exactly when did marriage become more than a civil institution? Where in the Bible is marriage defined as a religious institution?

I know many homosexual people, and there are several in my life, mostly as professional colleagues. Some I have met over the years. In my younger days I was very homophobic, and have said things for which I am ashamed. I have undergone a radical change since then. I have even hugged a homosexual man as he wept when his life partner fell victim to pneumonia after AIDS left his body defenseless against the virus.

These people have the same choices we have, and this is one that is theirs to make. In the end, they must stand alone and give account of what they have/have not done. As far as I am concerned, that is between them and The Almighty.

Some in this discussion have said that the Bible speaks against homosexuality. Those Passsages are found in the Old Testament. If they are going to take a hard-line approach with respect to what is said, are they also advocating the stoning of adulterers? What about cheeseburgers, cotton/poly blends, and the length of the tassels on our rainment? Remember: we cannot pick and choose those things in The Bible we are going to enforce.

I have absolutely no problems with civil unions for homosexual couples. This does not compromise the marriage vows I took, and as long as my church is not required to perform the ceremonies, I think it's really not my problem. America is fighting a war on terror, and a war in Iraq. These are the issues upon which we should focus.

Regards,
BiR

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
Some in this discussion have said that the Bible speaks against homosexuality. Those Passsages are found in the Old Testament.

Romans 1:26-28 (ESV)
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; [27] and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[28] And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Tell that to someone who has contracted AIDS from a homosexual relationship. The homosexual lifestyle is one of two high risk behaviors known to spread HIV/AIDS. The other one is IV drug use.

Actually, multiple sexual partners is one of those two "high risk behaviors" you mention. AIDS does not discriminate between homosexual and heterosexual.

God's Blessings to you and your family, LadyEagle,
BiR

 

[npc]

Tell that to someone who has contracted AIDS from a homosexual relationship.

They're a victim of HIV, in part because of their sexual activities, which they (usually) engaged in willingly. By your logic heterosexuality has victims too.

The homosexual lifestyle is one of two high risk behaviors known to spread HIV/AIDS.

By "the homosexual lifestyle" you mean promiscuity, and we are discussing marriage, which is understood to involve commitment to a single partner.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Originally posted by KenH:
Romans 1:26-28 (ESV)
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; [27] and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
[28] And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

Yeah, okay?
Where does it outline what we should do? As this Scripture points out, it is between them and God, which is a point I have already made.

Regards,
BiR

 

[KenH]

Originally posted by Baptist in Richmond:
Yeah, okay?

You said the Bible only spoke against homosexuality in the Old Testament. I was simply pointing out that it does so in the New Testament as well.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Well, thanks for addressing that one point in my discussion, Ken. A point worth noting is that I asked a question in the very beginning of my post that you apparently saw fit to ignore.

Regards,
BiR

 

[ASLANSPAL]

Two years from now, I think more bricks will be
in the proof wall that gays are born the way they
are. Imho...we really are talking over each other
because of positions we have taken or stand upon
that means "nothing changes" and those people may
be right...it is a behaviour...it is a choice...
it is a sin....but I am banking on that it is something else,but time needs to pass and the leaps of genetic science needs to keep moving forth giving us more and more information.

Someone said:
"You can't be sure that children are born as Heterosexuals and Homosexuals. All you have is the testimony of the Gays who want you to believe that. Everything they aspire to hangs on that belief and that's all it is. It cannot and has not been proven scientifically."

actually the science is moving toward it being
genetic...the tipping point is years away ..the latest is the genetic manipulation of a fruit fly
which (laugh if you want) is one more brick in the wall.
http://www.teachthefacts.org/2005/06/gay-gene-found.html


I hope somebody will realize we have had this
debate Ad nauseum before and realize the conclusion or the answers are years away for either vindication or failure.


Sincerely
Aslanspal