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Why should the 1689 Confession of faith be used?
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I don't remember your answer to:
Why did you feel compelled to add this statement to your Confession, when something so obvious did not have to be mentioned in the 17th Century Confessions.
"That marriage must be between one man and one woman."
That is just a cop-out. No matter where on earth you live you must submit to the authorities above you.
I will make this simple for a child-like mind.
You are now in grade three. Your teacher is your "lord," master, teacher, authority figure.
You are the pupil, student and even servant.
You submit to his/her authority. If you don't you will be punished, not only by her but by another authority, especially at "his" coming.
No matter where you are in life you will always have authority figures, school, police, government, etc. It can't be avoided. You don't live unto yourself. You are not on an island in the middle of an ocean accountable to no one. It just does not happen.
Thus your spiritual claim to be a citizen of heaven, though true, does not alleviate you of all your responsibility on this earth. I sincerely hope you are not teaching that type of anarchism to your family.
I would rather think that it is your silly game of semantics to avoid meaningful debate or discussion, especially when you realize you can't concede a point in debate. You have to win. But you would rather chase your tail instead.
Then step away from the Board Icon, Take a deep breath. Clear your mind of all bad thoughts and pray. Make sure you don't post anything you regret.
And who is your Lord/lord? As unregenerate, we bowed to Satan as our ruler. As Jesus is now our Lord, we bow to Him. Jesus is my Ruler and He rules over His ppl, the church. Satan is the ruler of the lost, as they are of the world.
Who is the world that hates His disciples? The lost. If Satan is ruler of the world as you purport him to be, he rules us, too. He does not rule me. God does.
Christ is praying that His Father would not remove them from the world, as in taking them to heaven. He also prays that His Father would protect them from Satan. That is the context. Was Satan their god, too? The 12 I mean.
If I am called to war and fight on foreign soil, that does not mean I belong to the ruler of that country. By using your example, the WWII vets who were fighting all over Europe and especially Germany, were under Hitler's authority. Absolutely not. They fought against Hitler and his army because he was their enemy. That is what Jesus was praying for. They, and consequently us, are in a war against Satan. But that does not mean he is our ruler. In fact, he is our mortal enemy.
Psalms 24:1 just 'wooshes' by your eyes every time, doesn't it?
Again, if Satan is the god of this world in the manner you are espousing, then he is your ruler, too. Is he? I am not saying he is your ruler, but by mere implication, you are espousing this as biblical fact.
And he blinds those who he is ruler over, the lost. If the gospel is hid, it is not hid to believers, but unbelievers. I do not know why you struggle to see this.
Again, Psalms 24:1?? 'Woosh!!!!'
I see DHK is back to exalting Satan above God.
I made mention of something close to it in post # 36.
Back in the days when the 1644 and 1689 CoF's were written, they were much less tolerant of homosexuality. In fact, they killed many of them. They kept it hid because they knew a noose neck tie was waiting for them.
At that time, they probably thought no one would be brazen enough to mention marriage betwixt two men or women.
B-I-N-G-O!!!!
I am going to 'copy and paste' this goodie.
Every chance he gets.
I operate within the board rules.... I do not have to post that way, I just let your posts speak for themselves....
I leave that to you. Everyone is on to you now.....you do not fool me. I know who and what you are. Your avoidance of our request to link to a statement of what you believe speaks volumes.
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Nope. You post and I refute. It's like playing paddle ball. I am the paddle, you're the ball.
Whack-whack-whack-whack-whack-whack
Really charitable of you, eh? Per usual.
Hey, now I am down to your level. Maybe that's why you are struggling to keep up.
Right. Yet, who is my 'Lord'? God and not Satan.
Yes we are to be under their authority. So by your example, I am to be under Satan's rule and do as he says? Srsly? That's exactly what you are purporting.
Again, we are talking about Satan and not civil gov't. If Satan rules us, then we are under his authority. I am not under his authority.
It's not a silly game of semantics. It's showing you how easily refuted your heretical stance is. Psalms 24:1 continually 'wooshes' right by you. So does 2 Corinthians 4:3-4.
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Uh, that truth is not new to our times now is it? Now, we have that in our bylaws not our CoF yet again this is not a new truth nor is it only relevant in our time. It is always relevant. Just because it isn't in a CoF doesn't mean the church itself didn't acknowledge it as a belief to adhere to. You act as if the sin only exists now but it has always existed.
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I'm beginning to think that dhk may mention cell phone usage at church as a reason to be against these CoF's. Like 'Turn off your cell phone during church'. Since that isn't in the 1689 CoF then it is no longer relevant. Throw it out. It's antiquated lol.
Read his postings. Every chance he gets, he attempts to take the glory from God in saving ppl by inserting man into the equation. My math teachers always told me 1+0=1. 1 is God and 0 is man.
Every chance he gets, he enthrones Satan. God just sets by and lets him run ramshod over the earth as if He can not stop him. It's make me oh so nauseous.
I have started a new thread in the Cal/Armin forum to debate 2 Corinthians 4:3-4. Sorry about helping to derail this thread.
So, you do not have an internal struggle in which the flesh and its deeds must be daily put to death? If Christ were the ruler of this world, why does Paul state in 2 Corinthians 4:
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
I haven't read in this thread that anyone is making that claim. However, because the believer is "in the world and not of the world" it does not change who is the god of this world.
However, that statement does not change who the god of this world is according to Paul. Hitler ruled until he was "put down." There will be a time when Christ returns with the saints and "puts down" all enemies of God. Zachariah 14 expresses it this way:
9 And the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one.
Not at all, because it has in it the creation, the sustaining, and the ultimate kingdom of God on this earth.
However, to proof text a verse and state in so many words, "See, I am right and you are dumb" is in error, for that psalm does not prove your view unless you take it outside of the statement, that very clear statement, of Paul.
Sure you are.
But then you disagree with the statement of Paul as far as who is the god of this world.
Is the population of believers currently or in any time in the past conquered the world for Christ?
Certainly, Satan blinds. That is just one aspect of his deception. However, he also has authority. Authority that he offered to Christ in the temptation. Had he not had such authority, Christ would certainly have responded differently.
I offer you the very words of Christ who John records as saying:
30“I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;
And in another place:
30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes. 31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.” 33 But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die.
The work of the cross did not remove Satan as prince of the darkness and ruler of the world, rather, in Christ's own words:
11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
Do not make the mistake of thinking that the judgement means immediate dethroning. Not so.
Just as the unbeliever is "condemned, already" so is Satan already judged, and will be removed as the "ruler of this world" when Christ returns as King. Just as the book of the Revelation states, and Zachariah records what God has given him.
Context does not allow for your application.
God has given Satan certain authority (the KJV calls him a "prince" in John 30) and there is no reason for this argument to continue by asserting that Christ has taken over the world at this present time.
One day, He will. But that day has not yet come, and when it does, the believers will be with Him en mass.
Agedman, the god of this world is Satan, yes, I agree with that. However, the world in proper context is the lost. He buffets me, yes, but that does not mean he rules me. Greater is He in me than he who is in the world.
I have a thread started in the Cal/Armin forum if you wish to pick this up there.
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