Why The Need?

[Baptist4life]

The fact is, your choices aren't even a logical solution to your own problem.

I don't have a solution. Thus this thread! :laugh: I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ANY LEGITIMATE MODERN VERSION. Nor am I ready to say, "this one needs to go" or "that one can stay". I just wonder how many more English versions are needed.

 

[tinytim]

My answer.. as many as will be used... This is a question only God can answer.

 

[Salamander]

Sal, we have so many versions cuz there've been many TRANSLATORS, & the language changes with time.

And there was little-to-no controversy until KJVO was created.

Now, can you prove only ONE of these versions is valid, to the exclusion of all others? Of course you can't, & neither can I, nor anyone else.

really now? harmony, Roby, harmony!

 

[Salamander]

I agree and I'm a Tyndale's translation reader, too! (That's what you meant, isn't it?)

OK, start speaking in the English of Tyndale's version:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Salamander]

Yes, you do. And other BB members have the right to expect threads to be kept on topic. For once, instead of promoting your own agenda, why don't you respect the right of others to have a civil discussion without it being hijacked to a divisive KJVO argument?

Who's arguing? You are the only one I see making the contention here.

No, you certainly didn't mention the term KJVO. But you DID say...

Yes, I did say...., but what is it you think I was saying? Anything wrong with having an English version to refer to when reading other versions?

If you're not promoting the KJVO myth, then what "one version" are you referring to? There's a strike against your own credibility, Sal.

wait a minute, you said "I said....", now you ask me "if". And since you're being the "striker", you are now disqualified.

You flatter yourself, Sal. I certainly DON'T haved a fetish about you. This false accusation is yet another strike against your credibility.

There it is manifested, you have a "striker feddish" with me.:tongue3:

1. No, I certainly don't believe you have any magical or spiritual powers, Sal.
2. No, I certainly don't give you axcessive atention or reverence.
3. NO WAY!
4. No, I don't have an obsessive preoccupation or attachment for you.

When anyone exemplifies an obsession, they bgin to number their points.:smilewinkgrin:

My, my, my, Sal. Such a personal attack because I mentioned you were apparently trying to hijack the thread. Your "one version" comments, based on your track record, could only be taken by any reasonably intelligent person as a plug for the KJVO position. You really don't deal with truth or opposition to your position very well, do you, Sal? There's another strike against your own credibility.

I haven't struck at you even once.

What "truth"? I haven't seen yours exactly espoused as of yet, just vitriole.

Your meaning isn't very well articulated here, Sal. Are you intimating that I try to turn every thread into a KJVO thread? If that's what you're saying, then your accusation is absolutely false and has no basis whatsoever. There's another strike against your own credibility. You do more to damage your own credibility than anyone else ever does.

Giddy-yup!

When God's word is attacked by those who hold the errant "one version" or KJVO position, I defend the word against such attacks. I have always defended God's word against KJVO attacks, and I have no intention of stopping now.

[personal attack and Bible attack deleted]

 

[Salamander]

According to Ken Connelly in his The Indestructible Book before Wycliffe there were 40 Old & Middle English translations (mostly of the Psalms), and another 26 translations after (including Wycliffe's and its revisions). Connelly claims another 212 editions of the Bible (complete or in part) from 1525 to 1611. Then (p.181) --

Between the publication of the KJV in 1611 and the ASV in 1901, there were no less than 522 attempts by translators, revisors, or editors to discover the exact meaning of the original text of the Bible and express it pricisely in current English. ​

I believe that adds up to 800 English translations in one form or another before 1901 (with none included from the most recent 108 years). How many of those caused harm? I don't think the facts of history support your opinion.

It certainly sets those who promote the MV's in array against those of us who are as settled as God is on which English version. I'd call that harm.:sleep:

 

[Salamander]

I think the problem is more attitude about versions than how many versions we have available.

I benefit from all that I have read.

Cheers,

Jim

Yeah, me too, I find myself when I want to know what the Bible really says to do a comparison study.

I read in the KJB, then read any selection on my Bible program, then I always go right back to my KJB!:thumbsup:

I have always found that a study of the text in the KJB proves far more beneficial than any mere other version.

I especially like the words deemed "archaic", they really relate something to casual reader would otherwise miss if he relies only on the modern versions.

Thank God for Strong's and many other lexicons which hold to a wholistic diction of the receptor languages!

 

[Salamander]

If anything, the written word in many translations enhances our Bible Study.. a lot of times, I just project e-sword onto the wall, and dive in. If there is a question about a verse, I click on "compare" and all of my 39 versions of that verse is on the wall.. we read through them and get a real sense of what God was fully saying. I have everything from NASB and ESV on the most literal Word for Word end to The Message on the loose paraphrase end.

Try it sometime...

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e-sword is a computer program that has many versions of the Bible, many commentaries, and dictionaries... plus many extras...

Now, what would you expect to pay for all of these valuable resources...
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Now back to our program !

So when you preach you open the floor for discussion? Seems there might be a hint that you're not quite sure what you're preaching about.

 

[Keith M]

Who's arguing? You are the only one I see making the contention here.



Yes, I did say...., but what is it you think I was saying? Anything wrong with having an English version to refer to when reading other versions?



wait a minute, you said "I said....", now you ask me "if". And since you're being the "striker", you are now disqualified.



There it is manifested, you have a "striker feddish" with me.:tongue3:



When anyone exemplifies an obsession, they bgin to number their points.:smilewinkgrin:



I haven't struck at you even once.

What "truth"? I haven't seen yours exactly espoused as of yet, just vitriole.



Giddy-yup!

[personal attack and Bible attack deleted]

No response to your vitriole, Sal - just trying to keep the thread on topic. If you want to continue to lie about me and what I said, take it to another thread, or else just shut up with your deliberately false accusations. Either way, Sal, you need to come to terms with your immaturity.

I'm praying for yoiu, Sal, and I'm asking the rest of the true Bible believrs here to pray for you too.

 

[tinytim]

So when you preach you open the floor for discussion? Seems there might be a hint that you're not quite sure what you're preaching about.

Read it again Sal... Bible Study!!! Bible Study.

NOt preaching..

But I have to say.. I have been known to take questions while I was preaching.. and at times gone right into Bible Study! To elaborate on what I was preaching on.

 

[Salamander]

"Cry aloud and spare not". Define this please?

And please stop the obsessive whining when some one puts your feet to the fire

 

[Keith M]

Well, Sal, you've succeeded in hijacking yet another thread. Are you satisfied and proud of yourself now? You should be ashamed, Sal. I'm sure God isn't pleased with your pranks. I'm still praying for you, Sal.

 

[tinytim]

"Cry aloud and spare not". Define this please?

And please stop the obsessive whining when some one puts your feet to the fire

What are you talking about? Have you took your meds today sal?

What has this got to do with the subject of the thread?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Well, Sal, you've succeeded in hijacking yet another thread. .

And sadly, sometimes sabotage works .