Why the SBC Allegation List Should NOT Have Been Released

[canadyjd]

I find it heartening that it is being reported that this pastor was falsely accused. This means that the press isn't suppressing the truth.

Yes, it is wrong that he was initially accused, falsely, but it is good that the press is corrective in this matter.

You are missing the point. The damage from this accusation is done. To his church, his ministry, his personal life.

Once the damage is done, it is impossible to reach everyone who saw the report and now believe he sexually assaulted a child more than 30 years ago. That has direct influence on his life, his church and the church’s ongoing ministries.

peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

But there should have never been a public list in the first place to have this happen.

Personally I don't care about having one but if we do all accusations should be fully dealt with i.e. investigations, law suits, court proceedings etc.

 

[AustinC]

You are missing the point. The damage from this accusation is done. To his church, his ministry, his personal life.

Once the damage is done, it is impossible to reach everyone who saw the report and now believe he sexually assaulted a child more than 30 years ago. That has direct influence on his life, his church and the church’s ongoing ministries.

peace to you

Did God make a mistake when God allowed this false information to happen? Does God not tell believers that all things work together for the good?
The many false allegations against believers from Stephen to the Apostles, to the early church and beyond are addressed in the epistles. Peter tells us in his first epistle how we should live when false accusations are brought against us.

May this pastor be eternally blessed if for a temporary moment he suffered like his King.

 

[canadyjd]

Did God make a mistake when God allowed this false information to happen? Does God not tell believers that all things work together for the good?
The many false allegations against believers from Stephen to the Apostles, to the early church and beyond are addressed in the epistles. Peter tells us in his first epistle how we should live when false accusations are brought against us.

May this pastor be eternally blessed if for a temporary moment he suffered like his King.

Gaslighting… again

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

[JesusFan]

Jesus Fan -
Are you SBC - if not - what group of Baptist is your church
and if you are not Baptist - what denomination is your church with?

North American baptists Conference sub category Great lake baptists!

 

[JesusFan]

I am not at all in favor of National Leadership controlling Local churches.

not controlling, but able to wield authority to right the wrongs local churches cannot or will not make right!

 

[AustinC]

North American baptists Conference sub category Great lake baptists!

Well, what do you know, another NAB colleague. It's a small denomination started by German Baptists who immigrated with the Mennonites and Jews out of Ukraine due to forced subscription by the Tzar. I'm currently in an Upper Mississippi Region church. The region is in a bit of turmoil over the CRT stance at the national level. At least one church left the conference over the perceived embrace of CRT by the national conference. I haven't really read the official stance, however, but it seems the Left coast churches are tending to embrace CRT. I happened to get involved with a church that is strongly reformed in its theology but the denomination as a whole seems to lean toward free will philosophy.

 

[AustinC]

Gaslighting… again

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

Bogus accusation again. Will you ever just acknowledge that God is in Sovereign control over all things, even when they seem bad from our perspective? Your extreme views are tiresome.

 

[canadyjd]

Bogus accusation again. Will you ever just acknowledge that God is in Sovereign control over all things, even when they seem bad from our perspective? Your extreme views are tiresome.

Gaslighting again

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

[Salty]

Bogus accusation again. Will you ever just acknowledge that God is in Sovereign control over all things, even when they seem bad from our perspective? Your extreme views are tiresome.

So does that mean you never wear seat belts, you never go to doctors, leave your house unlocked, don't carry insurance, see no need to sign a contract; just trust the other party.........


IMHO - your views are extreme.

 

[Salty]

North American baptists Conference sub category Great lake baptists!

So as a Baptist - as most, The NABC doctrine statement says in part:
" Each church is a self-governing body under the lordship of Christ with all members sharing responsibility (Acts 13:1–3; 14:26–28). The form of government is understood to be congregational"

Thus your local church is congregational - no group has any authority, which would include the NABC and the GLBA ! The most they can do offically is to withdraw fellowship.

Granted, they can recommend action to your local church - whether the Leadership accepts the recommendation is up to your church.

Now, if you were Methodist, Lutheran, ect - that would be a totally different story.

As I stated before the denomination at a minimum then should report such verified action to the local govt authorities.

 

[AustinC]

So does that mean you never wear seat belts, you never go to doctors, leave your house unlocked, don't carry insurance, see no need to sign a contract; just trust the other party.........


IMHO - your views are extreme.

I am guessing you are asking me if I tempt God. The answer is, no.

The difference with all the things you asked me about is that none of the objects mentioned were ever designed with the only purpose being to shoot and kill a living being.

This means that your post is really just a strawman to avoid the subject of gun use.

 

[AustinC]

Gaslighting again

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

I do not think you know what that term means because you aren't using it in context.

What I observe is that when you have no argument, you resort to name calling. Then, when it is returned, you whine about it Time to grow up candy.

 

[Salty]

Bogus accusation again. Will you ever just acknowledge that God is in Sovereign control over all things, even when they seem bad from our perspective? Your extreme views are tiresome.

You stated: "God is in Sovereign control over all things, "
If he is in control - then we do not need to worry those things mentioned.
Call it what you want -
But if a seatbelt will save me
so can a fire arm!

 

[canadyjd]

I do not think you know what that term means because you aren't using it in context.

What I observe is that when you have no argument, you resort to name calling. Then, when it is returned, you whine about it Time to grow up candy.

I certainly admit, the term “gaslighting” is new to me and I am attempting to figure it out. As best as I can make out, it is when someone intentionally makes outrageous comments they know to be complete cowpie in order to illicit an emotional response that takes the conversation off topic. That sums up about 90% of your posts.

As a gaslighting expert, would you please give me the proper definition of the term. I’d like to know how close I have come to figuring it out.

Either way, my definition fits most of your posting, especially in political or social topics.

peace to you

 

[Van]

And if you read the article in the OP you would know that HARM has been done to INNOCENT individuals BECAUSE of the way the message has been carried. Why are you ignoring that?

Because we should apply the lessons learned about leaders who choose not to protect the flock.

 

[Van]

Nothing about this post is true. Every issue should be dealt with. No one disputes that. What is concerning is the way they are handling this. Complete malpractice.

Yet another shoot the messenger and ignore the message effort. SBC leadership disqualified themselves when they did not take action against those abusing the flock.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yet another shoot the messenger and ignore the message effort. SBC leadership disqualified themselves when they did not take action against those abusing the flock.

Yet another lets get extreme with accusations when we disagree with the post. No one wants to shoot the messenger and just because they are acting on a tragedy doesn't automatically mean they are handling it the right way. Everything is an extreme with you.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yet another shoot the messenger and ignore the message effort. SBC leadership disqualified themselves when they did not take action against those abusing the flock.

Sorry, I don't have an "ends justifies the means" worldview. Apparently you do?

 

[BroTom64]

I have a couple of questions:

1. What Actions would you like to see the SBC Leadership do in the current situation? Remember there is no time machine or "Do Over" button. What Should the SBC do now?

2. Does the SBC Leadership actually have the authority to do this?