Why the SBC Allegation List Should NOT Have Been Released

[JesusFan]

Well, what do you know, another NAB colleague. It's a small denomination started by German Baptists who immigrated with the Mennonites and Jews out of Ukraine due to forced subscription by the Tzar. I'm currently in an Upper Mississippi Region church. The region is in a bit of turmoil over the CRT stance at the national level. At least one church left the conference over the perceived embrace of CRT by the national conference. I haven't really read the official stance, however, but it seems the Left coast churches are tending to embrace CRT. I happened to get involved with a church that is strongly reformed in its theology but the denomination as a whole seems to lean toward free will philosophy.

Being "good baptists", we would be able to disagree on certain issues, but Critical race theology is just plain racist, and would say that many are indeed free will baptists in the churches, but that many are also calvinist/reformed, as majority of pastors and elders are "free will", but are some like myself hod to doctrines of grace!

 

[JesusFan]

So as a Baptist - as most, The NABC doctrine statement says in part:
" Each church is a self-governing body under the lordship of Christ with all members sharing responsibility (Acts 13:1–3; 14:26–28). The form of government is understood to be congregational"

Thus your local church is congregational - no group has any authority, which would include the NABC and the GLBA ! The most they can do offically is to withdraw fellowship.

Granted, they can recommend action to your local church - whether the Leadership accepts the recommendation is up to your church.

Now, if you were Methodist, Lutheran, ect - that would be a totally different story.

As I stated before the denomination at a minimum then should report such verified action to the local govt authorities.

We would go to the GLB sector if was issue with Pastor or staff if the local church refused to address issue

 

[Van]

Yet another lets get extreme with accusations when we disagree with the post. No one wants to shoot the messenger and just because they are acting on a tragedy doesn't automatically mean they are handling it the right way. Everything is an extreme with you.

More fault finding to avoid addressing that the "SBC leadership disqualified themselves when they did not take action against those abusing the flock."

 

[Van]

Sorry, I don't have an "ends justifies the means" worldview. Apparently you do?

More false charges to change the subject from the fact the "SBC leadership disqualified themselves when they did not take action against those abusing the flock."

 

[Van]

I have a couple of questions:

1. What Actions would you like to see the SBC Leadership do in the current situation? Remember there is no time machine or "Do Over" button. What Should the SBC do now?

2. Does the SBC Leadership actually have the authority to do this?

I think our issue is not what further actions the SBC should take, but how any Christian leader should apply the lessons to themselves. Christ taught that we should always do what is right, and not suppress the truth "for a good cause."

 

[BroTom64]

Again,
What action should the SBC Leadership have taken in the past, and what action should they take at this point seeing they didn't act in the past?

Did they then or do they now have the authority to do what you suggest?

It's easy to say "THEY need to do something!". If they are anything like me the knowing SOMETHING needs to be done is easy, the knowing WHAT to do is usually much harder. We need to remember in the SBC the leadership has much less authority than many think and much more responsibility than many believe.

 

[BroTom64]

The Church I serve and pastor is going through a situation where something needs to be done, but doing the right best thing for all involved is going to take time. I covet your prayers for the truth to be made clear, and for wisdom to then act in a way that all those involved would be reconciled to the Lord Jesus and then to each other.

 

[Reformed1689]

More false charges to change the subject from the fact the "SBC leadership disqualified themselves when they did not take action against those abusing the flock."

You did make a case for the ends justifying the means. Go read your post.

 

[Revmitchell]

More fault finding to avoid addressing that the "SBC leadership disqualified themselves when they did not take action against those abusing the flock."

Soooo. ......nothing about this post is true.

 

[Salty]

...but how any Christian leader should ...

When you say "leadership" are you talking about the leadership who are paid by the National Convention - or are you talking about leadership of the local church?

 

[Van]

You did make a case for the ends justifying the means. Go read your post.

One false charge after another, all off topic efforts to change the subject. Why this behavior is allowed is mind boggling.

 

[Van]

Soooo. ......nothing about this post is true.

Yet another off topic subject changing post.

 

[Van]

When you say "leadership" are you talking about the leadership who are paid by the National Convention - or are you talking about leadership of the local church?

I am talking about all professing Christians acting in leadership within the body of Christ.

 

[Reformed1689]

Yet another off topic subject changing post.

You are the one who keeps changing the topic. The topic is the innocent who have been harmed by this irresponsible release of the list.

 

[Van]

You are the one who keeps changing the topic. The topic is the innocent who have been harmed by this irresponsible release of the list.

Reflecting on Brown’s situation, Wright shared with The Alabama Baptist, “This false accusation is the worst case scenario for publishing the list. Sexual predators must be held accountable and stopped from serial activity in one or more churches. Church members and the secular media must also be accountable to present accurate information.​

 

[Reformed1689]

Reflecting on Brown’s situation, Wright shared with The Alabama Baptist, “This false accusation is the worst case scenario for publishing the list. Sexual predators must be held accountable and stopped from serial activity in one or more churches. Church members and the secular media must also be accountable to present accurate information.​

Here's the thing, they way they are doing it ignores the biblical way to handle this @Van Does that not bother you at all? The SBC Report And Matthew 18

 

[Salty]

I am talking about all professing Christians acting in leadership within the body of Christ.

You did NOT answer the question (as that can be subject to interpretation)

A) are you referring to ONLY the local church?
B) are you referring to ONLY SBC National office (and affiliates ie NAMB, Lifeway, State offices. ect)
C) are you referring to both

This should be very simple for - please simply answer Yes or No for each of the three questions above.

 

[Van]

You did NOT answer the question (as that can be subject to interpretation)

A) are you referring to ONLY the local church?
B) are you referring to ONLY SBC National office (and affiliates ie NAMB, Lifeway, State offices. ect)
C) are you referring to both

This should be very simple for - please simply answer Yes or No for each of the three questions above.

The answer to A, B, and C is NO.

I am talking about all professing Christians acting in leadership within the body of Christ. That would include you, and the other moderators on this board. It would include me, at least in my former role within my local church. In secular surroundings, inappropriate behavior by those within my organization were reported to me or brought to my attention. I took action which ended the behavioral, at least within my organization. The misuse of authority for personal gratification actually destroys the organization, IMHO.